What, specifically, is the objection (of many) to Milorganite?
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Comments (17)Shimla,you are right I only did have one person at that point,but the rest filled in quickly.Because I am new, and the variety I have is limited too having lots of common flowers,I was only able to offer to 5 people.I was not willing to bite of more than I could chew. As far as implying "everyone" was dishonest and sneaky,I do not feel that was the impression given to most people. If dishonest and sneaky people got that impression, then I am glad they did.That was the point for my "rules".Besides,I wanted my offer to give someone new a good mix of what they will encounter with other offers.When I was "brand new" a few good people helped direct me in the right direction and I wanted to return the favor to someone else,if I had put this offer out there to just anybody then the chances I would be able to pass anything along to someone new would have been slim.The seeds would have just been passed out like flyers on the street.Maybe when I have more seeds to pass out and the chances of me getting the majority of them out to the people involved here is higher, I wont feel as inclined to attach rules.I honestly wish it was not an issue but, reality is, what it is.I would love to live in a world where people were honest and kind and not out to just take what they can get and never contribute anything back in this world.Who knows maybe all of this has woke a few people up that maybe were under the impression that it was fine to just take from people at his site and never actually be a member.And through all this talking maybe some of the things you and I are discussing is still helping someone learn what is acceptable and what is not.And how a person feels when they have packed up a bunch of their seeds,send them out for nothing and cant even receive a Thank You,that to me is uncalled for and those people do need a wake up call! I am glad you mentioned it! :) You are right when you say the problem will never go entirely away but maybe, some awareness will help keep it to a minimum. :) I have privatley emailed new people and given SASE,I just felt the need to give more....lol! :) It is catchy! I am WS this year myself ,I have a lovely collection of milkjugs and various other containers stored in the garage just waiting to become little greenhouses.I have BIG plans for those little guys...lol! :)DH is probably wondering why I can junk up the garage and he cant...lol!I direct the new people that I encounter, that dont know about WS, right over there from here.Or if I know something is going on for newbies at the RR I direct them there,and I inform them of the Rate and Review.Some of them are already wise to these options and there is no need to inform and some havent explored that far yet,so I let them know.Alot of new people start out on Seed Exchange and it's nice to be one of the people to greet them and send them off to great places from here,It's still fresh in my mind how happy I was when I found all the great forums we have here!As a fairly new member myself I try to help new people as much a I can to get settled in, I guess I just have this uncontrollable urge to help people.DH always tells me"You cant save the world!" and I tell him,"I can try cant I?":) Well, I am so happy that we have had this discussion,I really hope it does some good even if just a little bit.Maybe the issues that are addressed here will make a real difference for somebody else,even in some small way.Maybe a person who never even read this thread would be effected by it,just by someone else finding themselves to be a little more considerate.That would be ideal! :) Thanks again shimla,you really helped this discussion by bringing your side of the issue and... some helpful tips! :) ~Angie :)...See MoreAnyone Using Milorganite for Vegetable Garden?
Comments (53)I am not saying they are the "bad" guys. I am sure all the lab people and the laymen working for these agencies are good and honest. I just don't trust the people in the upper echelon of these agencies. Most or maybe all of the people running and managing these agencies have conflict of interest due to the practice of revolving doors. When the results are not favorable to the corporate interests they represent, they suppress the release of such information or they totally omit that part of the information. Too much industrial and corporate interests are vested in the outcomes of these studies and lab results. There are also too many instances where the corporate interests are placed before the interest of public health. You can find these instances in the following: addition of flouride into public water supply, suppression and manipulation of data by the CDC regarding MMR vaccine's role in autism, glyphosate's safety when review of Monsanto's records tell a different result... Glyphosate (Roundup)was once touted as safe for human use and approved by EPA. I unfortunately had believed these claims and used it in my home garden. Now studies have shown that exposure to this chemical can cause cancer and kidney failure and other health problems. All I am doing here is trying to protect myself from such a repeat of an occurence. I don't want to find out a few years from now that Milorganite maybe toxic. By that time, the damage is already done and the soil in my garden contaminated. Look I am not trying to stop people from using this stuff. If anyone is comfortable and ok in using this in your home, by all means use it. I am just asking for independent lab testing and its results. If you can provide me with this information, I am grateful....See More?milorganite
Comments (28)Between 2007 and 2009, Milwaukee Class A sludge has been contaminated with toxic PCBs and lead. Exposure to Class A sludge "biosolids" has caused serious adverse health effects: http://sludgevictims.com/Class-A-sludge.html Sewage sludge "biosolids" contain hazardous industrial chemicals, drugs, radioactivity, landfill and superfund leachates and virulent antibiotic resistant microbes. Class A sludge "compost" (Milorganite) is promoted as being virtually pathogen-free". It is not. All sludge - both Class B AND CLASS A - may contain infectious human and animal prions which cause always fatal transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs) In a September 2008 report, the US EPA lists prions eight times as one of the emerging contaminants of concern in sludge biosolids. http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/strategy/compendium.pdf Scientists have found prions can become 680 times more infectious in certain soils and survive for years. Human prions are 100,000 times more infectious than animal prions. Prion researcher Dr. Joel Pedersen, Univ. of Wisconsin: " Our results suggest that if prions were to enter municipal wastewater treatment systems, most of the agent would partition to activated sludge solids, survive mesophilic anaerobic digestion, and be present in treated biosolids. Land application of biosolids containing prions could represent a route for their unintentional introduction into the environment. Our results argue for excluding inputs of prions to municipal wastewater treatment." "Prions could end up in wastewater treatment plants via slaughterhouse drains, hunted game cleaned in a sink, or humans with vCJD shedding prions in their urine or faeces, Pedersen says" http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/corg/content?_nfpb=true&pageLabel=PP_ARTICLEMAIN&node_id=223&content_id=WPCP010087&use_sec=true&sec_url_var=region1&__uuid=#P40_1652 In the July 3, 2010 issue of VETERINARY RECORD, Dr. Pedersen stated: "Finally, the disposal of sludge was considered to represent the greatest risk of spreading (prion) infectivity to other premises." Prion researcher, Dr. Claudio Soto, states: " Interestingly, (prions) present in urine maintains its infectious properties. Our data indicate that low quantities of infectious prions are excreted in the urine. These findings suggest that urine is a possible source of prion transmission." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2593137/ The detailed characterization of uPrP reported here definitely proves the presence of PrP in human urine and will help determine the origin of prion infectivity in urine. Dr. Perluigi Gambetti, et al http://www.citeulike.org/user/applebyb/article/7558434 INFECTIVE PRIONS IN FECES: http://www.sludgevictims.com/prions-intestines-feces.html Recently, researchers at UC Santa Cruz announced that Alzheimer's Disease (AD) is a prion disease. Nobel Prize winner (for his prion research) Dr. Stanley Prusiner, UCSF, recently wrote that Parkinson's Disease may also be a prion disease (over 1 million US victims). Thus, 6.3 million US Alzheimer's and Parkinson's victims may be shedding infectious prions in their urine and feces to public sewers. The wastewater treatment process does NOT inactivate prions, They are concentrated in the sewage sludge sludge. http://sludgevictims.com/pathogens/prion.html Sludge topdressed on grazing lands, hay fields and dairy pastures poses risk of prion infections of wildlife and livestock. Class A sludge "biosolids" spread in public parks, playgrounds, and home gardens poses prion risks to humans, including "eat dirt' children, and family pets. An infective dose is so small, it is measured in molecules....See MoreMilorganite organic fertilizer
Comments (25)Are you saying the Milorganite company has franchised outside of the city of Milwaukee? Milorganite is simply sewage sludge, or more properly the carcasses of the organisms that fed on the sewage sludge. The process was pioneered in the city of Milwaukee in 1926 (although testing began earlier) and the name simply means MIL-waukee-ORGAnic-NITrogEn It was billed as an organic, slow release source of nitrogen and in it's day was the superior choice since the only alternatives at the time were composts, blood meals and aluminum sulphate and all were more risky to apply to turf or contained lower amounts of nitrogen. To the best of my knowledge any product sold as milorganite comes from the Milwaukee treatment facility and nowhere else although Milwaukee is no longer the only city selling fried sewage sludge organisms. The material coming out of Milwaukee is completely safe to use on anything and contains nothing the EPA or anyone else believes harmful. One can eat the stuff and no symptoms will occur other than a potentially darkened stool. A fact sheet on the studies that have been conducted is available here for those who wish to make up their own minds based upon the research to date....See Morezzackey
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