I've cut enough grass for a lifetime, I'd like to find an alternative besides letting the natural plants return. Well...have you thought about hiring a kid to mow the lawn? Seriously.If you have enough sun for grass, grass will grow. If you don't, it won't...and then you'll have something else to think about. I had a customer in the GC three weeks ago who had just "cleared his woods" but didn't know what to put in place of the scrub and brush he'd removed. Wanted enough English Ivy for 3/4 of an acre. yeah. After I picked my jaw up off the floor I explained that EI would make him miserable...poison ivy would infiltrate it...honeysuckle would infiltrate it...not to mention the mess it makes when it goes up trees. I convinced him not to plant that. Then he asked about vinca. I told him vinca was a better choice, but with 3/4 of an acre of high shade and a reasonably level lot he could do better than 3/4 of an acre of vinca minor. (He'd still have honeysuckle and PI issues...plus English Ivy that the birds would plant...) I then suggested he call a landscape designer or architect and figure out what would make his woodland garden beautiful. I'm hoping he took my advice. Yes, I lost (perhaps) a major vinca sale. But I'm hoping I saved a property owner some heartache.

Flavor,Different but Just as good,if not Better. Adaptability to grow in cold rainy climate:Good But Atreano is better. Fruit Size:Atreano is larger and has very Large Breba,of good quality,ripe in July. Battaglia has only main crop and it ripe a good month or two behind Atreano. So You see ,you got to grow both ,one doesn't do the job of the other. Also there is another white cultivar similar to Battaglia that is ,a touch better in my climate : JH Sourced Adriatic ,is a more robust cultivar,of the same excellent fruit qualities,yet they have other adaptabilities that are different,like size of tree. Battaglia remain a small tree while JH Adriatic will grow into a larger tree,and also produce Breba.

At Carolyn's suggestion, I thought I'd start a thread for general wilt-related discussions But Martha, I didn't suggest that all. LOL Martha is talking about a post I did in a thread in the main forum where I suggested that folks **post their own threads** here if they wanted to hopefully find out what the disease was. It gets too darn confusing when folks post all different kinds of problems in one thread and I know I don't want to participate in such a mixed thread. I would like to have the opportunity, as I think anyone would who is answering disease questions, to ask each person specific questions. And if by some chance you thought I was going to list diseases found in different parts of the country, I'm sorry that you really did misinterpret what I wrote below. Again, it works best if each person posts their own thread. But if folks want to go ahead and post about what they are experiencing right now as a way of commiserating with each other, no problem at all. But to try and diagnose diseases and have a running commentary for different folks in the same thread, it just does not work. Trust me on that, been there, done that, and not going to do it again, at least I'm not going to try and do it again . Sorry Martha, but if you look in the center of the post below you'll see where I DID suggest separate threads for each person. Sigh. Here's what I wrote in that other post: (Not all of you are describing the same symptoms, alas, and thus it gets confusing when different folks are describing different symptoms in the same thread. If there are spots on the leaves then there's a good chance it's a foliage disease and can be treated. If there's wilting when there shouldn't be wilting, since wilting during the day is common when it's hot, then the wilting could indicate any number of diseases depending on whether the foliage stayed green and the wilting was rapid, or turned yellow, then brown. One can't treat systemic diseases but the implication of having them for future tomato growing remains. The systemic disease you have could be a bacterial or fungal disease, or root knot nematodes or even critters burrowing. And the specific disease you might have is dependent on where you live and if that disease is known to be in your area. ***My suggestion is that if you aren't sure of what you have, then each person should start their own thread in the TOmato Pest and Disease Forum, b/c that's what that Forum is for.**** One can always look at the great thread titled Problem SOlver #2, but there are two problems with doing only that and not posting your own thread. And that's that for almost every link the specific areas where a disease can be foubnd is NOT given. Also, remember that pictures are static while disease is progressive. And there can also be both foliage infections and systemic diseases at the same time. And I haven['t mentioned viral diseases b'c none of you seem to be giving symptoms associated with them. If we could get everyone to post their disease problems in the Pest and Disease Forum it wwould be great for a couple of reasons. First, Spike set up that Forum at our request three years ago to help cut down on the rapid scrolling which is a horrible problem right now with many threads not being answered and/or underanswered. And second, if you look at some of the other threads already there you may well find that what you descirbe has already been asked and answered. I know I've been doing the majority of diagnoses for the infectious diseases for the past two years, and now that Alison is not able to help I'm not looking forward to doing most of it for the third year. We really do need some **help** over there, in addition to a few others who have helped out lately, and such folks should know about diseases and where they can be found. One isn't going to make a diagnosis of Curly Top Virus in MN nor a diagnosis of Alternaria Stem Canker in NH. Sigh. Carolyn, spending most of her time watching Wimbledon these days, with one more week to go on that. I do have my priorities. ( smile) And when she's in the mood may also do a psot here in the main forum to try and direct folks to that Forum and also note what resources folks might want to look at, such as the FAQ's and search feature, again, to help stop scrolling by preventing repeat threads, and the latter in a general sense, not disease oriented. Carolyn

You did a nice job on the photos, giving a clear look at the entire plant. The only suggestion I have is for when you take a picture of a tree or shrub. Take a picture of the whole tree/shrub, then take a closeup of the leaves/flower/fruit. Though it's not a guarantee, the detail can be very helpful for identification.