seeds from china fake or real?
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Comments (68)Well, it doesn't take quality, work ethics or skill to grow garlic, just a pot full of dirt or a piece of soil. Plant it in the fall, let it over-winter. By the next summer you'll have scapes to cut and by July (at least here in Michigan), you dig the stuff. Dry it and it'll store for months. It's by far the easiest, most reliable and least labor intensive stuff I've ever grown. Elery says we should grow a field full of it, if we only had a market for it! I also heard the same kind of "employee" argument from the vice-president of a power company here, they hired a bunch of people from India to run the computer systems because there was "no one qualified" here. Big headlines about how much better customer service would be with all the "improvements" to the computer system. Two years later the computer system was a complete mess, everyone was ticked off, people were getting exorbitant and incorrect bills, it cost $6.95 if you wanted to pay your bill on line (!!) the head of IT was fired and some computer experts from University of Michigan were hired. Six months later the computer system worked, the customers were calming down and getting their own bills, and it cost nothing to pay on line. It's a shame how those computer engineers were "unqualified", which actually meant they wanted more money than the foreign workers did. Annie...See MoreDid I just pay $1256 for fake Franke sink?
Comments (22)Xedos, I am a huge believer in the capitalist system and laws of economics. I agree that the cost of manuf and doing business is MUCH higher in Europe than it is in Asia and prices of products produced there reflect that. I do believe that Kraus, Artisan etc. are enjoying their profits too - that's the crux. Even at $300-400 price point, these companies are doing very well. My issues are: (1) is the degree of price disparity between a $1256 Franke sink made in the U.S. and a $400 Artisan sink made in China explained by the costs of manufacturing, (2) the lack of transparency by Franke, Blanco and Kohler about their sinks' countries of origins - many of the sinks by these names are indeed made in China, but that is not disclosed until you look at the box of the sink you've already purchased. By contrast, Kraus, Artisan, Vigo all list China on their online descriptions and spec sheets. (3) I just do not see the difference between a well-made Artisan 16-gauge sink and the Franke sink. Both are 16-gauge, both have the sound dampening, and I have been on this forum for many years, and have seen complaints about all sinks (mostly about scratches, or damage in shipping), but have yet to see a complaint attributed to China as the country of manufacture. In fact, there are so many posters of Kraus sinks who rave about how they love their sinks (and the sink grids they came with for free). "maybe you should ask yourself what's being skimped on or added that you may not want. Remember all the tainted toothpaste and dog food that came from those low cost leaders ?" Oh for goodness sakes, this is just fear-mongering. We are talking about sinks, an almost-commodity item, that is differentiated by gauge, size and configuration. What is being skimped on--to your point--is the high cost of manufacturing and overhead in Europe or the U.S. "But, at some point even the most ardent bargain hunter throw up their hands and say that's toooo cheap and flimsy or risky a purchase. But where does that leave that person in the grand scheme of things ????" Xedos, I don't even understand this question. I am recommending 16-gauge Artisan and Kraus sinks which have been enjoyed by many consumers. Where that leaves consumers (in the grand scheme of things?) is to have more money in their pockets while still having a good 16-gauge sink, with grid. There is no "shakedown" as you put it. A shakedown means people are strong-armed into paying more. My entire point is that people can pay what they like. I am saying that the consumer should be educated as to what is available to them. Why do Kohler, Franke and Blanco make it difficult to know what is the country of origin of their sinks? You keep saying that you know that Blanco does not use stainless steel from China. So, is that for all of Blanco's sinks, or just the ones made in Germany? What about the Blanco sinks not made in Germany, but sold under a higher price point due to the name "Blanco"? Can you speak for Franke and Kohler as well? Look, you don't like that sinks are being sold, and enjoyed, at a much lower price point than Franke's and Blanco's. It's tough on the high-cost leaders when that happens. It happens all the time though in a capitalist system. The fear-mongering seems so desperate....See MoreO.T Best/Worst eg. of a fake flower colour possible!
Comments (5)The photos of hybrid, single, double, triple Adenium blossoms with petals of fluorescent vivid pink, or deep yellows, or saturated blues and purples...and various other combinations....are just as bad.... Deception always stinks. BTW, how many of us were led to believe that hybrid Adenium seeds will produce flowers just like the named variety? I know of one, (mg) online company, that sells 2-seeds, (of various/famous named-hybrids) @ $15.00...that's $7.50 per/seed! This same company markets Adenium seedlings, as if they were the genuine, named, grafted, variety. I know this because years ago, I bought what I thought would be a named, grafted plant. I got a puny seedling, instead of a premium, grafted version....So, I contacted the company and complained... they said send back the plant, (at my expense), for a refund. Really? So, I kept the lousy plant, and stopped the credit card payment. So, I screwed them, just like they tried to screw me! Caveat emptor....the company is still in business. How about retailers that sell those popular, rosey-flowered, Adenium, named-variety plants, tagged with "NP"? NP = NOT PROVEN to be the genuine variety. But, at least the company warns the buyer. Frank...See MoreHas anyone ever ordered from Aliexpress?
Comments (14)Fake seeds can also be seeds that are labeled as real plants, but don't fit what they are labeled as or they can be implied to be for plants that don't exist in reality. So I have seen comments from folks who ordered varied colored flowers such as lupines and got only the most common blue, or even folks who got a completely different species than what was ordered. I can find lupines in mixed color packets here, and I am in a quite rural area, so you may find them in your area. I typically won't buy from a supplier that has less than about 90% (or usually better) positive reviews. Prior to having access to online reviews (I've been gardening since before the internet) I was burned a few times ordering from garden suppliers who didn't supply what was ordered. I found it quite frustrating since my growing season is short, so I usually couldn't reorder and have time to replant. I guess the questions to ask yourself are, Will you be distressed if you get nothing you want for what you spend? and Will you be unhappy if you have to wait until next year to get the plants you want? If the answer is yes, based on the poor reviews, I would use another supplier....See Morejohnsgeraniums
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