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OT. The North Wind Doth Blow

13 years ago

. . . or, more accurately, the North East wind, which has been blowing for several weeks and promises to bring more sub-zero temps, snow with blizzards and/or flooding depending on how far South in the UK one lives.
Has Spring sprung (or are Autumn leaves falling in S latitudes) in your necks of the wood?
I imagine many of you live in city/suburban areas, but we are in the country and our local farmers, despite having a reputation for looking on the dark side, are really suffering from some grim weather. After the wettest year since ??? in 2012, it is now the coldest March for 50 years. Many of last years crops produced a low yield, the land was too wet to sow in the Autumn and is still too wet and cold for 'Spring planting'. In Scotland and the North of England and Wales many thousands of new-born lambs are being lost to hypothermia and farmers cannot reach their stock to feed them.
Even at a very domestic level the DH has been unable to prepare the veggie plot for the 'gardening season' and the price of our poultry feed has more than doubled . . . to say nothing of our scarily high electricity and heating oil bills. As I write this I am clad in thermal underwear, three layers with long sleeves, thick socks, fur lined slippers and cannot sit for long before needing to get up and move about.
I keep a thermometer in the hall and with the heating on it still doesn't get above the low 50'sF.
But, we put up with this when I was a child and the only warmth was a coal fire in the living room, so perhaps we are getting soft. I am reminded of one of those 'Little House . . books where the farming family in up state NY had to get up in the middle of the night to move the cattle about to stop them freezing to death.
Tell me it is warm and sunny where you live, then please send us a few rays.

Here is a link that might be useful: BBC from Arran W Scotland

Comments (32)

  • 13 years ago

    No snow here in Pontardawe - the Swansea area, about 100 miles from Vee. Probably too near the sea. And this ('sheltered', warden-managed accommodation) flat I've just moved to is warm and pleasant so I don't even know what it's like outside. Quite a difference from the old house which registered every puff of wind or drop of precipitation. But I do miss the old place..... not sold yet so I'm still having to heat it and now in a state of chaos as we try to pack up and get rid of things.

    Apparently we're likely to get another month of this flipping freeze-up, here in UK.

  • 13 years ago

    Dido, I spent a few years in a sheltered accommodation flat in High Wycombe and it was wonderful to be so warm after freezing in an old house in West Wycombe!
    We have had a hot March in Western Australia but it is now rainy and cold but we are promised better weather for the Easter break.
    I have seen the dreadful weather in the UK on the news with farmers digging out their sheep from deep snow.
    Vee, we are getting huge power bills here too with a Carbon Tax added although as a senior I get some assistance. Some seniors who pay high rents cannot afford to put on their heat and sit rugged up in bed after an early evening meal. It is a disgrace in a wealthy country.

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    Dido

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  • 13 years ago

    It seems as though this prolonged 'cold spell' is hitting most of us in the Northern hemisphere.
    Dido, I envy you your warm and 'sheltered' accommodation as I am heartily fed-up with chopping kindling for the fire, cleaning ash from the grate, hauling coal and logs from the wood pile etc. It really can ruin a girl's hands!
    Siobhan, I think we must have spent a small fortune on different forms of heating this year and I haven't even checked the paid-on-line electricity bill. Half a ton of coal at ã6.50 a half cwt., gallons of heating oil (which is now measured in litres at nearly 70 pence a litre . . . and I can never convert to 'Imperial') and we are on our second tank of the stuff, a 'load' of ash logs, which burn well but too fast and propane for cooking . . . and the oven 'blew up' a couple of weeks ago. I don't know how the DH avoided instant death as the flames shot right up his front followed by the 'blast' that lifted the ceiling, blew off the window catches and threw millions of bits of glass about. I swear there must be some sort of Methodist Guardian Angel that was looking out for him; the only thing damaged were his singed socks. It sounded as though a bomb had gone off.
    Thank goodness for sturdy Victorian buildings. I think if this had been a 'modern' house the roof would have been taken off.
    And the insurance has finally paid up so we can cook again. ;-)

    Frieda, John is amazed that tomatoes are so far advanced, especially when night time temps drop so low. He reckons they really like nothing below about 55F and sulk if there are any fluctuations in temps . . . or they certainly do over here, where they almost never ripen before July.

  • 13 years ago

    Goodness veer, I am so glad your DH is unharmed! That must have been quite a scare!

    I'm afraid to even think about tomatoes. Too far in the future.

  • 13 years ago

    Goodness veer, I am so glad your DH is unharmed! That must have been quite a scare!

    I'm afraid to even think about tomatoes. Too far in the future.

  • 13 years ago

    Explosion sounds horrendous, Vee! John was so lucky.

  • 13 years ago

    Oh my goodness, Veer. That story could have had a very unhappy ending. I did something similar trying to relight a gas furnace. I didn't realize the gas had built up and-- wham! A fireball. Thankfully, I was sort of off to the side and the dryer took the brunt of it. I ended up with ashes for eyebrows.

  • 13 years ago

    Mercy! Vee, I'm so glad 'the bomb' only damaged your house.

    Brother says to tell John that tomatoes in southeast Texas are planted in late January or the first of February at the latest. They bloom and start producing in early to mid-March. By June, when the daytime temps are in the 90s or 100s and at night when it seldom gets below 80F, the blooms will no longer set, thus few tomatoes in June and none in July, August, and September. When the temps cool in October, they will resume blooming and some years will make tomatoes until mid-December when it finally gets too cold for 'em. He also says (which I did not know) that tomatoes are perennials in south Texas and Mexico (other places as well), and they don't have to be replanted annually. However, most people treat them as annuals because the old plants can look very ratty if not properly pruned and cared for (watered, fertilized, protected from frost, etc).

    The only thing I've known about tomatoes is I like to eat them, but Brother has grown tomatoes for decades and always has many more than he can ever eat.
    He loads me up with his home-canned salsas (mild, medium, hot), stewed tomatoes, tomato relish, and homemade tomato ketchup. I distribute his work to various relatives and friends during my mainland peregrinations and I ship the rest home.

    I hope England warms up, the winds calm, and the ground 'de-soggifies' soon. I've been hearing of the situation from my Yorkshire mates, too.

  • 13 years ago

    Vee, I did something stupid years ago, poured kerosene on a boiler fire which I thought had gone out. A blast of heat came through the small door and sizzled the hairs on my arms. I ran out to the front steps and called to my neighbour who was digging in his garden "Am I on fire?"
    He was a laconic man "No." he answered and resumed digging. He never even asked me why I thought I might have been!

  • 13 years ago

    Oh, my, Vee. I'm glad John is all right. It sounds like my story of cooking breakfast in my youth when I lit a match to heat the oven for my biscuits when the gas was already on.

  • 13 years ago

    Thanks for your many 'gas-related' experiences. I have always lived in properties where cooking by gas was the norm and this was the first trouble experienced . . . though I do remember in student 'digs' days where my landlady had a very bad habit of turning on the gas to her ancient stove and then wandering off to do something else such as answer the phone, before lighting it. I came back one day to find her looking very singed round the edges.

    Frieda many thanks for the tom treatise. John claims there is really little point in trying to grow them here; he just enjoys the challenge and the boughten varieties are SO tasteless and chemical laden and come from acres of greenhouses in Holland and Spain.
    Still on the crops theme. My US cousin, a keen VA mountain gardener, is trying to interest us in the three sister Indian method of growing corn, squash and beans. This is very difficult in our climate as corn (first grown in pots) and squash ditto, like it much hotter than your temps reach (70F is a HOT day in the UK) and beans runner/green/string do fine but only South of Yorkshire. We also have an unreliable amount of Autumn sunshine for ripening produce.
    Does this method work State-wide (or in Aus)?
    And talking of sunshine . .. we had some for a couple of hours yesterday and today (the first rays since 18 March). No wonder we all look like pale shivering slugs. :-(

  • 13 years ago

    It has been quite warm here in South Australia, with a day of 33ðC last week, but it has been a very dry year so far, and the farmers will be hoping for more rain soon.
    Autumn is not very noticeable in Aus, as the local trees and shrubs are all non-deciduous. It was one of the things I most noticed when we lived in Wales - I woke up one morning and discovered there was a house across the way that I couldn't see until all the leaves dropped off the trees!
    I have been watching the news stories about the snow in the UK and hoping all my friends there are OK.
    Vee, glad to here your DH is alive and well. We have gas for our hob, although the oven is electric, and hot water is gas also, but we have never (touch wood) had any trouble.

  • 13 years ago

    Vee, yes, the "three sisters" method of growing those 3 vegetables is well known in the US, as the Native Americans actually taught this to the early settlers, espec. in Virginia. From that derives the Native American vegetable dish of "Succatosh."

    For too many years I dealt with an old, substandard gas furnace. Just the thought of what could happen used to scare me. Now that I've relocated, thankfully, I am not dealing with that issue. Gas is the preferred method of stove cooking, (even temps). Also unaffected by power outages, when hurricanes hit. However, I've always had electric stoves.

  • 13 years ago

    Vee, you could do the 'dead fish' routine with the three sisters/milpa method. Go down to your local stream and catch a mess of small fish; then let 'em croak naturally. Bring the fish back to your field/plot; dig some holes several feet apart; plop a fish in; drop a maize kernel or two/three on top of the fish, cover with dirt; and about eight inches out from the fish-maize center poke some seed-beans into the soil. Then around the circumference, plant some squash seeds. Give all a good watering, then forget until they start coming up. This is the time-honored method in the American Southwest, Mexico, and Central America. (If you can't get fish, you can use other rotten things.)

    The Native Americans discovered the secret of nitrogen-fixing the soil (beans do that) and combining foods that provide a complete protein. When eaten individually, uncombined, they are incomplete and deficient in vitamins. Isn't it amazing how people learned to do this intuitively?

    Maize (sweet corn) is quite finicky to grow outside its natural habitat. It needs water at just the right time (early), lots of sunshine, and a good long spell of dry weather for ripening. I'm not surprised that it doesn't do well in the UK. In Iowa where I grew up, corn is king, hybridized to freakish dimensions (some ears are 12-18 inches long). Of course in Iowa the commercial farmers don't bother with the milpa method.

  • 13 years ago

    I've meant to ask you, Vee: Can you grow melons in your part of England? My Pickering pals can't, but I have an online friend in Cornwall who can. The south coast of Cornwall is practically Mediterranean, though, compared to most of England.

    This is off-topic of the wind, I know, but it is weather related. :-)

  • 13 years ago

    Frieda, it is very difficult to grow melons unless in a big heated greenhouse. Squash/pumpkins are also tricky to grow and need care to start them off under 'protection' and will only flourish during July and August. DH says that butternut squash are the only variety on general sale . . .but pumpkins are more popular as Halloween is gradually becoming something of an 'event'.
    Also most English people wouldn't have a clue what to do with a squash once they had bought it!
    The melons and peaches sold here are usually tasteless with NO sweetness having been picked while still green and then never properly ripening.
    We also find that oranges, formally sold around Christmas/January and now available all year round are usually dry and pithy. I would love to know the vitamin content of such a horrible piece of fruit. Is this a problem everywhere?

    And Frieda, just off to catch me a few fish. Salmon used to be the local delicacy but now the Rivers Wye and Severn have become virtually salmon free perhaps I will net a few elvers . . . although they are no longer found in their millions.

  • 13 years ago

    Vee, one of my English landladies in the 1970s was quite proud of the courgettes (zucchini) she grew in her back garden in London! The '70s must have been unusually warm and dry (I seem to remember they were but I can't swear to it), because I had to warn her to watch out or the little devils would take over. She didn't believe me, but sure enough I came home after a few weeks in France to find baskets of zucchini all over the house and my landlady miffed that she couldn't give them away to anyone and everyone she accosted. She grew larger marrows too, and treated me with a gigantic one with bread and mushroom farci). I was the only one of her tenants who appreciated her effort, I think.

    Whoa, that's a shame about the salmon. They used to have lots in the rivers of Brittany, too; but the last I heard they were sparse, although the Department powers were trying to reestablish them. Somebody got the idea to ship salmon to the Kerguelen Archipelago, just about the most isolated islands in the Indian Ocean. That was in the early 1980s, but the salmon introduced there actually started coming 'home' to Kerguelen. I haven't kept up with the experiment so don't know if the antipodean salmon are still doing it. Anyway, I wonder why the Severn/Wye salmon haven't been reestablished...must not be a priority.

    I had eel pie, not knowing what it was, and thought it was quite tasty. I don't mind the elvers but the adults are rather scary. I can just imagine you with your net and creel. :-)

    We in the US are quite spoilt with good citrus, with three prime citrus-growing locales (California, south Texas, Florida). We won't put up with lousy fruit unless there's been a horribly devastating freeze (thankfully rare). I'm especially fond of Texas Ruby Red grapefruits from 'the Valley' of the Rio Grande. The season for them runs from October through March. I got to Texas at the tail end, but my ever thoughtful brother got a twenty-pound bag for me so I've had a grapefruit for breakfast everyday for the past week.

    Where is the citrus you get in England grown? I've had Spanish oranges and can't say I've been impressed, but Spanish lemons seemed all right.

    You should know better, Vee, than get me started on food and food production.

  • 13 years ago

    Frieda, our citrus fruit comes from Spain and Israel. Apparently Spanish oranges are only picked around the New Year and the rest are just let to fall off the trees and rot; perhaps not worth the effort.
    Courgettes certainly can grow to a terrible size, usually when your back is turned. I have unpleasant memories of marrows. Boiled to death and served with white sauce; utterly tasteless.

    Re salmon/elvers (baby eels) No-one seems to know why the stocks have gone so low, it seems to be world-wide.
    In the '70's I remember local fishermen waiting at the railway station with boxes of salmon to be sent up to London. Today there are almost none of these old boys left. It is/was an extremely dangerous trade as the Severn tides are the second highest in the world (after the Bay of Fundy) and every year people are drowned . . .even the 'old hands'.
    There used to be a tradition among a very few hardy families on both the Welsh and the English side of the estuary to 'mud fish'. Using a simple 'sledge' which they pushed through the mud flats at low tide they would pick up any stray fish left in pools and collect salmon caught in their lengths of putchers (long narrow cages made of willow and set out across the mud to trap the fish). It was essential to know the shallows, pools and time of the tide down to the last minute.
    Below is a clip of an old Welsh chap who worked this way. You get a good idea of the remoteness of the estuary. 'Our' part of the river is far less intimidating . . .though I wouldn't want to go paddling in it.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Mud Fishing

  • 13 years ago

    Dido, re free heating, I remember when I lived in the UK in the late nineties, there was a 200 pound grant for heating for pensioners and a loading for a wind-chill factor as well. Warmth is so important in the Northern hemisphere as is having cool airconditioning in the Southern one.
    My sister, who lives in Sussex told me that her boiler broke down just before Easter and her flat got cold very quickly. Luckily the Council sent a repairman who was able to mend it or she would have become ill as she has a problem with the cold and even used to faint in Winter when she was a child!
    I suggested she get a small electric fire for emergencies as she gave her gas-fired heaters away when she moved to a centrally heated place.

  • 13 years ago

    Ann, the ã200 heating grant is still given to pensioners. Apparently houses in the UK are the least well designed/provided with insulation to deal with winter cold and damp of anywhere is Europe.
    There is now a totally impractical plan known as the 'Green Deal' whereby householders can borrow money against your property to add double-glazing, cavity wall insulation, solar panels etc to their properties. Of course the total amount it would cost can virtually never be recouped from the original payout.
    In the fantasy world of renewable energy the cost of these schemes is met from a vast hike in our electricity/gas bills . . . and don't get me started on wind farms . . . possibly one of the costliest, ugliest, impractical ways to produce electricity . . .where the only person to benefit is the person who erects the turbine and sells any electricity it produces back to the power company and is paid well over the odds ( from our bills of course) for so doing.
    We have one such local entrepreneur who is hoping to do this very thing about half a mile from our village and then grow a 'wind farm' all the way up this unique estuary landscape. ;-( ;-(

    Here is a link that might be useful: John's Turbine Map