Completely different clones are sold as 'Atrovirens' over here. The original distinguishing feature was that it was deeper green that typical, otherwise the same. Old Latin cultivar names like this may go back so far that there have been numerous independent introductions made under the same name, as well as the usual mixing up that goes on in nurseries. I once heard the complaint from a retailer here that a grower with a large block of a western redcedar cultivar was telling prospective buyers they were whichever generally similar cultivar they were looking for. If they asked about 'Atrovirens', that's what they were. If they were wanting 'Green Sprot', that's what he had and so on. Just looking at these "hedging cedars" (name used in Lower Mainland of BC) in local retail outlets I cans see that variety names have become quite mixed. You will therefore have to study any stock being considered carefully and in person to see if it looks like it is going to fit the bill. Keep in mind that considerable broadening may occur with age, and that any western redcedar selections not of a dwarfed nature are likely to become towering with age. Partial shade is no problem with any kind of arborvitae, but heavy shade makes them see-through thin. Here in its native area western redcedar is, along with western hemlock a climax species that often comes up beneath taller, long-established specimens of other species and gradually replaces them - as long as fire or other stand-reducing disturbance remains absent.

I have two nice size well rooted american pillar roses.these roses grow very fast and bloom once a year in spring very pretty bouquets of mauve /pink/rose colored blooms.I would love to trade for ogr roses.I dont care about the size but would like to have some nice roots...thanks Shirley

'American Pillar' is a real survivor around New England and particularly on Cape Cod where it was sold by Mike Walsh at the beginning of the last century. Many of those plants are still going strong, most having done without fertilizer or care for almost a century. While the individual flowers are not in themselves particularly beautiful, that's clearly not the point. 'American Pillar' is a landscape plant and that was exactly the intention of Dr. van Fleet when he released this rose into commerce as one of the "dooryard" roses. It provides wonderful color in the landscape and 'American Pillar' is frequently seen growing up the sides of houses or sheds or tumbling over a stone wall or obliterating an ugly fence. I just planted an 'American Pillar' I collected in my neighborhood and I expect it to grow up the south side of my garden shed. Here is a link that might be useful:

Thanks Al. I bought 270 of them as that was the minimum order from the wholesaler and I would like to use most of them for privacy trees around my yard. They are actually called American Pillar Arborvitae, they are a patented version of the green emerald but grow much quicker and much taller, officially 3 feet a year reaching 25 feet. They were a third of the price when buying wholesale, about $4 a piece, but that is why I need to replant them because they come in these tiny containers. What would you recommend me repotting them in? I can't use your gritty mix like I am using for my citrons because of the price, and also cutting up the pine bark is way too time consuming for that many trees. I figured that for only 4 months I can go with regular miracle grow potting mix. I was also thinking of mixing in some perlite to the miracle grow potting mix. I also liked the idea of the miracle grow because it has fertilizer and I won't have to fertilize.