Inkognito, by all means, say what you wish to say. Do not hold it in. I would like to know about my inaccuracies. Intelligent, confident people are perfectly willing to carry on a debate. I wanted to be provocative which is why I introduced my post the way I did. I sometimes try to shake things up a little bit here in the ye olde gardenweb forums because it can be pretty boring sometimes. At times I exaggerated to make my point. Also I was really breezing along and maybe not formulating my ideas as well as I might have wanted to. The only inaccuracy I thought might exist, after writing it BUT before seeing your post, is that I've read that some parts of New England have colonial stone walls. I see from your profile you are from Canada. I presume there are some in Eastern Canada too. Sure, but they cannot be as prevalent on this continent as they are on the British Isles and parts of France. Are there chateaux in France whose front facade is lined with white birches planted 10 ft away from the foundation, that I don't know about? Do some Americans return from winter vacations in the subtropics or southern California and say "all those plants that don't lose their leaves - hideous!" Are there vast stretches of UK suburbia landscaped with nothing but syringas, peonies and Scots Pine? Nary a Cordyline or Fuchsia magellanica in sight? (I KNOW they aren't dumb enough to plant giant american sugar maples on a 1/5 acre lots there, so I was trying to think of an equivalently run-of-the-mill tree for them) Please...share your thoughts! I really wish when I visited the UK in the mid 90s there had been digicams so I could have photographed 100s of residential gardens to prove my point, but I didn't. I spent more time in Edinburgh and I remember walking down streets and spending an hour on one block just surveying new-to-me rare and beautiful plants in people's gardens. I remember seeing Morinas. I remember seeing those exotic lilies like Nomocharis or the other genus whose name escapes me. Obviously I saw meconopsis. I remember artful combinations of Euphorbias and some kind of campion or lychnis. Often not a weed in sight for a whole block - and in the ditches the beautiful Himalayan Impatiens grew as weeds! If it's any "consolation" I fully realize that culture is dying, even there, I would not be surprised if in a couple generations time the British are no more a nation of gardeners than we are. FWIW, I'll also say that a non-gardening friend of mine who visited Dublin said she was absolutely blown away by the quality of people's residential gardens there compared to anywhere in the US she'd been. Not that she knew the specific plants, just that they were lovely and well-kept.

Since this has become a gallery of almost every conceivable Cedrus cultivar, here are a few I can contribute, albeit relatively young specimens: Cedrus deodara 'Girards Weeper' Cedrus atlantica 'Silberspitz' A golden-tipped variety Cedrus deodara 'Electra' or 'Bushs Electra' A very silvery-blue medium upright. Cedrus deodara 'Golden Horizon' One of several new Cedrus that Don Howse(PorterHowse) recently shipped to me. Cedrus deodara 'Montros Veil' Cedrus deodara 'Emerald Falls' Cedrus deodara 'Hollandia' My little potted Cedrus libani 'Green Prince' Will

I purchased it as P. Pungens 'baby blue' (you know the tags, "blue is cool blue is cool blue is cool blue is cool blue is cool"). It was only after a year or two that I noticed its branches were weeping. I think I planted it Nov 2014, but maybe Nov 2015. I do remember when purchasing it, it was different (I looked at every single one they had, probably over 200) but weeping never crossed my mind even though in thinking back I remember it looking about what it currently looks like. When I compared it to my 7 or so other P. Pungens 'baby blue', it was clearly different. I guess it would be considered a seedling with a mutation (or a mutated seedling?) ? The baby blue are grown from seed.

You would have to write ahead to arrange it but the finest private collection of conifers I have seen in the UK is in the garden of Alan and Adrian Bloom, owners of Blooms of Bressingham perennial nursery in the moorlands northeast of London. I was taken through the garden by one of the Horticulturists at the perennial nursery that I contacted ahead of time. You will want to devote the better part of a day if you go there as the perennial nursery has a wonder display garden, in addition to the Bloom's private conifer garden. It is well worth the effort before hand to arrange a visit.