Maybe a great overdose of the muck they try to bring in and give our kids.

I Agree.........

He has done one right thing,got the fear of God into him,best thing he ever did,it,s a pity he didn,t do it before he was involved with drugs,peopla are fed up with grug related crime,and most crime is drug related thats when they are dangerous,off their head and armed,I know a lot of people can turn from crime to a better life,I,ve seen it,it,s a matter of meeting your problems and destroying them,growing up,there is a lot of help out there,greencroc.

Absolutely ..... no to hanging . Hanging is wrong, but crime and rehabilitation is the way to help the future of wayward people. Singapore is not showing a good example of decency

garden_worm

I don't really think crime is the way to help wayward people :-), but I agree with rehabilitation, where it IS possible. It is easy for an intelligent criminal to show all the signs of remorse when it is to his/her advantage.
I don't entirely disagree with the death penalty, and in some cases I think it is too lenient. eg. when the offender has sexually abused and killed a child.

The more people remember what this man did and what it cost him the better, maybe they will stop, think and walk away from drug dealing before it destroys them and their customers. Even if only one turns away his death will have made a difference.

I have a problem with capital punishment if the person protests their innocence and if they are subsequently proven to be innocent as obviously you cannot rectify the mistake but this person was caught red handed and admitted it.
You choose the behaviour, you accept the consequences.

I find this a distressing subject to find on the garden web. I thought this was a place to discuss gardens and plants.

I also find this subject distressing and not appropriate.

I must apologise - when I posted it I thought I was posting to the conversations forum, but it ended up here - I know not how.
It is not the appropriate subject to post here on the general gardening forum, but I consider it appropriate for the conversations forum.
Sorry - Jan

Thats OK, thanks for the apology.
A

What amazes me about us Ausies is that we willingly send our young troops to foreign lands to possibly be killed in defence of their right to democracy and independence, and then when their democratically elected government independently enacts legislation we don't agree with, we loudly and very rudely denounce them for daring to be independent and democratic. By the way, I do resent capital punishment, but it is an economically justifiable alternatie to a life sentence.
We must learn to see both points of view, not just our own.
Tony

Honestly he needed to suffer some kind of punishment of course, but the death penalty via hanging is just so barbaric and old fashioned! You wouldn't put a rabied dog down that way and if you did you'd be in court facing cruelty to animal charges!

Personally I don't think the punishment matched the crime. The death penalty certainly has a place I believe, but for vicious psycho maniacs and murderers with no hope of rehabilitation.

I don't know too much about the case, what were the circumstances of him deciding to carry the drugs? For all we know he may have felt he had no choice, the people who make and profit from the drugs may have had something over his head that compelled him to do it (like threatening his family perhaps) who knows. We never will now :(

Look at Schapelles case, she's in jail for 20 years for importing drugs she never knew were in her bag! I don't think that was the case here, but what I'm saying is, it's never just cut and dry.

Ange

1 Its not a defense to say someone made me doit
2 Everybody knows what the penalty for that offense is in Singapore
3 Ever seen anyone die of a heroin overdose?

My brother in law has been held up in his supermarket twice in a couple of weeks .The police think it's a drug related crime which makes my Brother in law and his staff the indirect victims .
I think hanging is too god for this B****tard for scaring the ..... out of the girls.
Finding God when you are on death row intrigues me, as well as being completely rehabilitated .You can't go anywhere what else are you going to do whilst awaiting your fate.
I am sad for the mother of the boy that was hanged but have no sympathy for him or his other brother who allegedly got him into the mess in the first place.
I have been to Changi airport and they tell you on the plane before you land about singapores strict laws on drugs and there is also a big sign that you cannot miss as you get off the plane.He is not the first and he won't be the last ...what a waste of a young mans life.

Isn't it a bit late once your on the plane though? I mean I see the point, but not the logic... Once he's on the plane, the plane is going to land whether you change your mind about carrying drugs or not. Once again, that kind of puts other people in jeapody, some loser who's been sucked into carrying these drugs gets cold feet and shoves a condom filled with heroin into some other tourists handbag, then she's going to the gallows for the crime of momentarily leaving her bag unattended!

I don't know, I don't have an answer... just loads of questions lol

Anyway, I don't like to dwell on it too much. The world is filled with scumbags and lowlifes. It sounds to me like the wrong twin went to the gallows, the other one has a criminal record longer than his arm and seems completely unphased by his brothers early demise!!

Oh, and no I have never seen anyone die of a heroin overdose and I sincerely hope I never do, but if you're going to argue the point that drug traffickers choose their consequences by trafficking, then you could also argue that drug users do the same thing. Sure they're addicted and it's a really hard disease to overcome. But they became addicted by making a decision one day to try it. So as I said, it's never black and white, it's always more complicated than what we hear. :)

Ange

My sister was killed by a heroin addict. She was pregnant at the time, so her unborn child was also killed. She was an innocent bystander who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. At any point along the chain of supply, if the link was broken then she might still be alive today. There was no choice on her part, and certainly no choice on ours, on her little daughter or her husband. Hopefully that criminals' death will put a break in the chain that will assure some other family won't go through what we did - good riddance to bad rubbish. And you never get over it, you just get used to it.

Robyn That is so sad.
I am so sorry for you and your family what a terrible thing for you all to have to go through.
I have seen what drugs did to my childrens friends many years ago so I know exactly how you feel.
And as you say this one death MAY HELP put a stop to it.

I wonder if he had been a blonde haired blue eyed Australian instead of a Vietnamese Australian if more would be upset and outraged at the hanging.
I find the death penalty abhorent in any way shape or form.
My step son died as a result of drugs too, but I certainly don't blame the dealers (they should be heavily sentenced) but we all make choices.

Simple answer is "no" Ethnic background plays no part here for me.

Happyjaq - I am so sorry for your sons death. I don't agree that we all make our choices. It is not uncommon at all for someone to become addicted to heroin not of their own free will. In some cases it is "I'll just try it once" and they are addicted and can't break the cycle. The suppliers ARE to blame. It is illegal to supply heroin in Australia - that's the law.
I don't know what made your stepson try heroin in the first place, or what was done to help him get off it, but whatever the story, by the time he reached his death does, he was probably well beyond making a freewill choice.
We tend to think of heroin as a degerative youth culture thing - street kids, gangs, rock bands, etc. Heroin is quite commonly in use in many other more "polite" circles - housewives, lawyers, doctors. It isn't like cigarettes - it is extraordinarily addictive - and illegal. The drug dealers are most definitely to be blamed, whatever their motivation. I cannot believe that the Qld parliament thought it appropriate to have 1 minutes silence for a common criminal.

I'm not entering into this discussion as I can't put my thoughts down in an understandable fashion but I was very upset when last Friday evening one of my grandchildren told me (and I quote her words).......my teacher told us to bow our heads and be quiet and think about the poor young man who was being killed by putting a rope around his neck. He was caught with drugs and they killed him Grandma.

Get this...........she is in Grade 3.

I was angry but the Mother didn't think the teacher had done any wrong.

Cathy

HI ALL WITHOUT GETTING TO FAR INTO THIS ,WHETHER WE BELEIVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY OR NOT THIS FELLOW WAS IN ANOTHER COUNTRY KNEW THE RISKS,AND ALSO KNEW WHAT THE PENALTY WAS FOR GETTING CAUGHT AND DECIDED TO TAKE THEM, AND ALSO KNEW THAT HE SHOULD ABIDE BY THAT COUNTRIES RULES WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT,WHILE I AM DEEPLY SORRY SOME PEOPLE HAVE LOST FAMILY MEMBERS TO DRUGS AND I HAVE TO SAY I ALSO HAVE TWO NEPHEWS WHO ARE ADDICTED UP TO THEM EYEBALLS WITH WHATEVER THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON ,AND YES THEY HAVE HAD EVERYONE TRYING TO HELP, BUT JUST DONT CARE.
I DO AGREE WITH JAN RE- THIS ISSUE AND THAT IS THIS FELLOW WAS A COMMON CRIMINAL AND REPENTANT OR NOT, HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING, SORRY FOR BUTTING IN,
ACTUALLY JAN IF YOU READ THIS CAN YOU OR SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE I FIND THE CONVERSATION FORUMS PLEASE, AGAIN SORRY TO BUTT IN ,TAKE CARE EVERYONE,
LORRAINE

Up the top of this forum there are 2 choices. On Topic discussions (which this is NOT) and Conversations.
I wonder is it possible to have someone remove this discussion from here and put it in the conversations forum?

capital punishment is wrong totally - for any sort of crime

but - if you are stupid enough to go overseas and try and bring drugs back here via a country that has capital punishment - then you're just another dead junkie.

the problem with bringing drugs into australia is that they are intended for our kids - there aren't many junkies who live past forty so the market is for those junkies still living. And when a junkie dies from his drugs - there has to be another to take his place - market forces. And the one whotakes the place of another dead junkie is someones child.

I reckon that all drugs should be legalised and only available on prescription- this cuts out the need for drug traffickers, dealers and those who try to expand their "business". Another added benefit would be that insurance premiums would drop dramatically when all of the petty thefts and burglaries are stopped when junkies don;t have to steal to pay for their addiction.

But there's too many pillars of society with their pockets being filled by drug money to allow for this little scheme of mine.

Except for insurance premiums on Doctors and Veterinary surgeries?