In this case, there is a reason why the rose is hard-to-find. Climbing sports of bush roses are, generally speaking, more inclined to climb than to bloom. IIRC, this one was no exception. It was int. in 1985, and was already fading from view when we began planting roses in 1987. According to HelpMeFind, four nurseries are listed as offering this rose, and all are in Australia. If you want Double Delight, plant the bush form -- and look for a Virus-Indexed plant. If you want a red and white climber, plant 'Fourth of July,' which is healthy, fragrant, and blooms a lot. Jeri

hihi i planted viking queen on my south facing wall alongside clematis will goodwin and daphnes species anemones and peonies in 2005.....i saw VQ very widely recommended but i havent been too happy....i really wanted something fragrant in this very tiny front garden and despite its billing as fragrant i havent found it to be noticeably so....also the blooms in spring are a very blowsy and tend to flop forward and look down rather than out...and the colour is a rather dull uniform pink....in the fall the blooms tend to have a stronger tea shape and crisper colour....but all in all not the character plant i looked for.... so now i am up for suggestions>>> the wall is white and garden now contains blues lavenders whites and pinks .want a good repeater...and some real fragrance...excellent sheltered site....there is a good wire trellis support on the wall....soil is supporti daphnes and clematis equally well....the spot is dry and sunny but air circulation is not the very best due to density of plantings and iron trellis work some undr consideration climbing cecile brunner zehirine drouhin gloire de dijon ilse krohn white cap mme isaac pereire mme alfred carriere cl. ophelia any and all opinions adn suggestions very welcome thank you

'Don Juan' also points up. But I wouldn't assume this one belongs to any particular group just because it is arching, that is a widely shared mode. Canes that grow up and then bend over later, under the weight of side branches is a more or less general behavior among roses that are not ~dwarf, stubby (bedding) types.

benjesbride , your layout looks nice. The back run of cabinets is about 22' plus another 12' for the island and 5' next to the fridge. Is that a lot of linear feet of cabinets? I like the idea of opening the dining room up and moving the entrance to the center at some point in time. Would love to do it right away, but I'm not sure what the rest is going to cost. Our window guy is stopping by tomorrow to give us a price on replacing the bay with other indows (double-hung, casement or sliders). I know the new bay would be almost $3,900 so I am hoping for a quote that is much less than that. I am also meeting with a KD tomorrow who, based upon our conversation, will most likely be proposing something like this photo. I am not sure what I think about it, but know that he has actual photos of other kitchens with a similar layout. What do you think? I still think the bay causes a problem.