Historic Roses from late 1800's

19 years ago

Hi,

We are planning a formal rose garden around an old homestead.

We are located between Warwick and Stanthope in Qld, and being down near the creek we get cold, minus 8 is not uncommon.

Any suggestions for Roses which may have been in the garden at the turn of the centuary?

http://www.braeside.com.au/garden/index.php?entry=entry070425-005500

Here are some old photo's we have found but not many clues on the rose garden.

http://www.braeside.com.au/photo%20gallery/gallery6.htm

Thanks in advance.

Lloyd

Here is a link that might be useful: Plan for Rose Garden

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luxrosa
18 years ago
Hello,

I hope this information is of help to you.
I spent a year volunteering to help restore a historic rose garden in California, which was planted in the 1930's.
Because planting only the roses that were actually planted in that garden during that decade, was very restricting, and some of them were not suitable to new "no spray" restrictions, we planted
-the healthiest roses that were commonly grown in gardens at that time.
and
- as well as healthy roses that elders in the 1930's would have remembered from their grandparents gardens in the late 1880's.
Roses listed here, are the healthiest roses that are cold hardy in the U.S.D.A. climate zone Z-6 (-23C to -18C) which means they do well in areas as cold as zone 6 and warmer zones too that do not get frost. All these do well in organic method gardens in California.
Belrose Nursery or Honeysuckle Cottage nursery may carry them.

Class: Polyantha
Cultivar: "Perle d'Or" 1884 Zone 6
Beautiful coppery pink buds open to satiny peach blooms.
Disease resistant to fungal disease and suitable for organic method gardens. Can be easily kept pruned to 4' tall but will reach 8-10' tall in California if left unpruned for several years. Blooms as often as a typical H.T.

Class: Polyantha
Cultivar: "Marie Pavie" 1888 Zone 6
One of the three best Polyantha roses from the 1880's.
Unlike most of this class, Marie Pavie is very fragrant.
Pink buds open to bright white blooms.
Disease resistant and suitable to organic method gardens.
5' tall in California. Very good rebloom, in my garden it blooms every month from Spring to Autumn with regular deadheading.

"Mme. Cecille Brunner" 1888 Vve. Ducher Zone-6
also called the "Sweetheart Rose", perfect little pink buds open on slender red corymbs ( a gracefully formed branching stem). Fragrant. Blooms as often as a typical H.T.
Just under 5' tall in California
Disease resistant and suitable for organic method gardens.

"Spray Cecille Brunner" is a very impressive rosebush and can easily be pruned to form a wall of roses, with thousands of pink roses produced from Spring through Autumn. 6' by nearly as wide in California.
Disease resistant and suitable for disease resistant gardens. Extended bloom cycles because of its' amazingly abundant bud production.

I grow all of these Polyanthas near the California coast, where mildew and blackspot are frequent visitors to rose gardens, and these are among my healthiest roses among over 200 cultivars.

"Hybrid Perpetual" roses have a penetrating Damask type fragrance that is stronger than any other remontant rose class. The healthiest Hybrid Perpetual roses are these pink cultivars.
These are healthy, and unlike many of the H.P. class, correspond to healthy H.T.s in their resistance to disease,and bloom as often as a typical Hybrid Tea, all are healthy where they are grown in organic method gardens here, and are hardy in z-6 cold climate regions.

"Mrs. John...
Brugdacious
18 years ago
Hi Luxrosa
I was wondering if that historic garden was in San Jose.
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Nope, It's called "The Florentine" at the corner of Oakland Street and Olive street in Oakland, California.
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