Whoah! The rich color in this that's coming through the fog is such a contrast to the other morning, a drab Atlantic kind of scene. This one makes me look forward to a sunny day at the beach and the other one makes me one to curl up in front of the fire with a good book.

I find that Early Sunrise coreopsis is a short-lived perennial in my gardens. Seems the plants get weaker. I get better bloom from freshly sown seeds.

Cool, I love those programs, don't have one myself but love seeing the results people get from using them, especially when they show comparison shots like yours. I like both pictures, each serves a purpose. I think the second one allows you to imagine what another arch would look like. [great I think] Valerie

Patty - what you describe is exactly what my SS was doing last year. Picture the long canes wirosarian has in that great photo (lovely garden scene wirosarian), just bunched up under the trellis for safekeeping. 3' high ad 4-5' of floppy cane is what she had last year. This year it's more like 8' of floppy cane, but that definitely seems to be her growth habit. I can't see her being a hedge (even though mine might look like one) unless you had a set of hoops under it to prop up all those floppy canes at the desired height. Yep, land sakes alive - she's a sprawler - nothing happened except she was feeling happy and verrrrrry relaxed. Annececelia- you think I'd FEED that monster? I'm not getting within a foot of it until it stops eating the landscape. Seriously, I rarely get around to feeding my roses anything but alfalfa most years, and I don't think SS has ever gotten any. You must treat yours right to keep her mannerly. At least until your back is turned (da-DUm, da-DUm, da-DUm...) Cynthia