nyRockFarmer, non-distinct is about what my bad ones taste like. Olpea, I pressed enough last year to make wine and that's about it. Getting that wine transfered out of the primary has been an issue, I may have 5 gallons of apple/honey vinegar by now. I did get cherry and raspberry bottled. I'll be amazed if I get much for apples this year. They're not looking good. Part of the problem is this year's bloom was drawn out so I couldn't spray the apples early enough when I had the energy and ran out of energy before curculio was done. ltilton, cheap generic Walmart ziplock sandwich bags. Cut the same as for apples. I tried it with the whole bottom opened but it doesn't seem to make a difference. I was worried about rot but with none rotting in the bag vs many rotting without I'd say in my yard the bags are the safest bet at least with Shiro. I'll probably approach Santa Rosa with almost as much hesitation if it ever starts putting out full sized fruit and go easy the first year. Maybe start out with 50% bagged. Harvestman, my friend's Methely had plums set, but that's all I know about it. I only made it out there for one spray so he may have been wiped out by curculio. They said what they had last year was good. In addition to spraying I've taken to pruning his tree to get it to shape. Hopefully next year I'll get to try some of his. I know my small Santa Rosa last year were as good as I remember from when I tried them as an organic gardener and stumbled on bagging. This year it has one and had very few blooms, perhaps the long cold winter. Overall I'd pick Santa Rosa over Shiro but those Shiro's I've had that jump into the excellent flavor range makes me think there's something I'm missing either in pruning, thinning or picking. I know I have an easier time knowing when a red one is ripe. Half the time I bring a Shiro in and it no longer looks yellow out of the sun. If I could get all the Shiro to taste like the excellent ones it would be a toss up. This year has been wet (I'm not complaining, the grapes need it to get established). Interesting about AU, Scott. Glad I didn't jump on one of those. Definitely not deep south here. I wish I had more room to give to plums but they're not reliable enough here between borers and frost.

Well, well, well! Phew Michael[the rev one], ya scared me. When you dropped off so suddenly I thought ya fell in a vat of bug juice!! So sorry it's been such a rough couple of years but oh so glad you're on the mend. You can email me through here, but for now, sounds like your posts here will do me just fine. Welcome back good dude. Glad to see you too Dorph. My Christy had a melanoma on her nose about 15 yrs ago. After dealing with it, she's been good since. It's hard living in the south with all that sun on ya, plus you on the water. Wanda Gail! So nice to have you here again too. Sure miss your great disposition and posts as well as pics of the ponds. Welcome back!!

Mike, Ro and Tom, This unworthy subject begs your forgiveness (rubs hands because ploy is working - this will be another jade thread!). Folks, it's been a strange last four months - went from winter to pretty much early summer in two days. Zech, that's the thing - it's not large at all, certainly perhaps approaching a 100th the size Caudex Keith's is Stan, Sunny, yes, but I've kept this plant potted in the same pot, with soil refreshed each year, for three years - buried in that pot are rocks of mighty density and yammish size. I'll have to get a...what's that you're asking for, a picture? OK, will do.

Welcome FlutteringBy, Isn't PSP great? I've had it for quite awhile and still only "scratched the surface". There is a lot it does that I don't know about but am having fun with what I do know. Pretty tag you made. ~Urlee~