Unfortunately, I can't think of a way I could help. Back in 1995, veterans were gathering to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the end of the war. When I volunteered to help, I was contacted by vets looking for buddies they hadn't heard from in decades. I found hundreds of them. It was a wonderful experience. I simply used software that had phone directories for the U.S. It was state-of-the-art at the time, but very ho-hum 12 years later. If I think of anything, I'll let you know. Don't you wish GardenWeb email worked better?

Oh, raehelen, sorry you are having to deal with so many things at once. I cannot get one kitchen done. You must be overwhelmed with TWO kitchens and a master BR remodel. Just get it done is becoming my mantra, sound familiar? See if I can be more clear - Two under counter ovens will be side-by-side (another inspiration this morning- from the youngdeb's kitchen, a really nice kitchen). Each side of the cooktop has 15'' of counter space, which should be enough with the island. The better view will be from the prep island looking out the sink and DR windows. There is not a view to the front of the house. Well, the front door is visible down the hall from the kitchen. An advantage of this plan is that some of the pieces can be added later. Such as the upper cabinets over the refrigerator and Napanee Kitchenet, and the desk. I suppose the BB hutch could come later. I could use what I am using now, an LLBean hutch and dorm fridge. One MUST have is a music player/radio, either my laptop or shelf system on the desk. A desk by the cooktop wouldn't be compatible. Here is a link that might be useful: youngdeb

Good wishes for a safe journey and for a good result in the operation, plus a reasonably pain-free and early, uneventful recovery. ole joyful

I'm no expert or anything, lol. I have noticed a few of my roses (not teas but not a cl version either) decided they want to climb once they got up against something they could climb. I have had Blue Girl for years. It was large but never a climber. Then because it was in a really large pot and got bigger on one side than the other and was kinda tilting, I moved it up against a really tall shrub for balance until I could get to pruning it. Well I didn't get to it for awhile and next thing you know, it had one branch that got really long and was around 10ft. I trimmed it back and it shot out again and now basically is a climber on that side. Poseidon is a newer rose for me. I got it from Heirloom as a band. It seemed like a shrub. Everyone else seems to have a shrub and I haven't heard that there is a climbing version. Mine was a shrub until last summer when I stuck it up against a trellis because I was moving stuff around. Next thing you know it was 10ft up and on top of that trellis, on a few branches. I cut them back. They grew back. Now one is 12ft and still growing. It has a few new ones that are close to 8ft so far. Both these bushes are in full sun so they aren't reaching for the sun -just the moon lol.