White Cabinetry Thermofoil vs Painted
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Comments (4)If you can't tell the difference I think that's the answer right there. I personally don't like the look or feel of thermofoil. The feel is plastic-y to me and I find they lack some of the refinements of traditional wood detailing, like square corners (in most thermofoil the substrait is just routed out of a single piece of MDF and doesn't have square corners but rather they are slightly radiused) and true rail and stile construction. That said if it's 6 of one/half dozen of another to you, I think it would be silly to spend more money just because someone says it's "better." We all have different tastes and "better" is relative. Some people LOVE the easy cleanup of thermofoil....See MoreNeed help deciding between maple painted white and thermofoil
Comments (15)First off you may know this already but you did not state it Aristokraft does not sell a painted cabinet. All white and off white finishes are thermofoil based. Aristokraft will not offer modifications other than drawerbox and soft close drawer glides. There for the Aristokraft cabinet is a mass production set up that is good for its target customer. If the price for the Aristokraft is similar to the Thomasville cabinet you are paying to much as a rule of thumb for the Aristokraft cabinet. Also if box construction matters to you The Aristokraft cabinet in Ply Select will not be plywood on all sides of the cabinet box. I sell Aristokraft and like its product for the price point. Just be aware that the 2 bands build the cabinets differently looking for different customers. Be sure you chose what you want and that you pay fair price for it not to much or to little! FYI I have been in a meeting with 5 competitors for a kitchen remodel and 3 of them were offering Aristokraft cabinets when the written specs requested by the home owner were not compatible to the Aristokraft method. For one the customer wanted painted white cabinets and 3/4 thick box construction none of which Aristokraft offers! I politely asked the competitor if he knew if Aristokraft offered a new painted door I was unaware of tho which he had no answer! He honestly did not know they were thermofoil. I would not say thermofoil is inferior to the point of not considering. As the posts above show some are more happy with thermofoil than others. My expierence is peeling is very likely over time. How much you as the consumer do not know until you learn by expierence. If you like the look of the thermofoil and the price the answer is you will be happy with it until it peels if that ever occurs. I do not honestly know if a certain brand in thermofoil will hold up better than others. If you can get a life time warranty on the finish of a thermofoil cabinet you are safe over the peeling issue. Now that I think about it my Brandom brand has thermofoil doors and a lifetime warranty. The written language of the warranty does not exclude the thermofoil in any way. I will have to read it again when I am at my product binders on Monday. My education from cabinet makers I have sold is that painted finishes on cabinets are trickier to get right than a stain. It is easier to have difference in color from one cabinet to the next with paints particularly if it is mass produced and kept in stock to be resold off the shelf. Thermofoil solves this issue in many ways. MDF is medium density fiberboard. Think of sawdust glued into sheets. Wood fibers glued together with heat and pressure to make panels cut to width length. The woodfibers held together with glue do not tend to expand or contract as much as solid wood strips direct from the tree. Wood expands with temp and moisture more in the length of the grain and the width then in thickness. So a board cut 36 inches in length will at 50% humidity will be over 36" long at 100% humidity and less than 36" at 0% humidity. Wood flooring when installed is void of warranty if it is not installed where the humidity is in a range of acceptable values stated by the manufacturer. The structure and the wood floor materials in the box have to both be at the same accpetable range for the floor to move in tamdem with the house if humidity and temp changes occur after install. Cabinets have the same problems. Mdf center panels do not change size as much as a solid wood center panel of glued stips of wood does. The risk is the center panel shrink or expand and have areas that become exposed to view that were not exposed when the paint is applied. You would see a section of the door that is not painted but raw material. The MDF center panel costs lest to make and the cabinet company either sells the cabinets for less or makes more money on the MDF center panel door. A veneer center panel is a cheaper way to make the cabinet then a solid wood center panel. A veneer panel is a engineered (man made center panel) the wood material making the center panel can be all layers of natural wood peeled from a tree that has been boiled to make plywood. Or there can be cheaper layers in the panel that are wood with glue holding it together like particle board. The last layer of the panel when it is a veneer is a thin layer of wood that is the same species of wood as the solid wood pieces the cabinet is made out of. To make a veneer means "layer" more or less. A veneer log cut out of a tree means that section of the tree is free from defects so the lumber mill can boil the log untill the rings of the tree are soft and can be peeled like an onion ring and pressed into flat layeres of wood that will be used to be the exposed surfaces the consumer will see. So yes you can refinish a veneer center pannel. The layer of wood that is maple for maple cabinets is thinner than a solid wood maple center panel. So if you sand it you can not sand very deep per say or you will wear thru the vener layer of wood to the next layer of the engineered panel that is a different species of wood that is cheaper or a particle board or mdf type of layer. This is the risk of veneer products when you discuss refinishing possiblities. The veneer center panel cabinet is just meant to be a less expensive product for a consumer with the same look. MDF center panel cabinet is meant to be cheaper in my opinion more than anything but it does not react to moisture as much as solid wood does....See MoreBathroom vanity - Painted MDF vs Thermofoil
Comments (7)Hi! If you have the option of using water resistant MDF that would be the option we would have you select. If thermofoil and "regular" MDF are the only two options you have, thermofoil in the long run will have better moisture resistance then the MDF. Both types of cabinetry do have their own pros and cons. Thermofoil will discolor over time and are harder to fix if there is any damage. MDF does not handle water well if it is not moisture resistant, it will degrade. Again if water resistant MDF is not an option, in the long run, we would take discoloration over cabinetry falling apart. Hope this helps! Detail Woodworking...See MoreThermofoil white cabinets
Comments (6)I'm sorry I don't have a solution for you. How old are the cabinets? Maybe they are still under warrantee? I'd send pictures to the manufacturer or the place you bought them from. I'm also curious because a lot of people on here have posted questions about thermafoil and many suggested that the product has come a long way in the past few years and no longer yellows or chips. IF the boxes are in good shape and not as yellow, maybe you could get away with just refacing the doors? On a thermfoil Q&A on the Home Depot site, here are tips if you are open to repainting them all together: Here are the steps: Remove and/or glue down any Thermafoil that is peeling. Clean the cabinets thoroughly with water, dish detergent, and a sponge. It will be easier for you to take down the cabinet doors, if you are able. Once clean and dry apply a bonding primer. I would recommend using Glidden Gripper primer- it will stick to anything! Apply an oil- based paint in the color of your choosing. Using a natural bristle brush and a medium nap roller for the broad areas will ensure that you get the smoothest finish. I would recommend doing 2 coats of paint. Another option for you would be to refinish your cabinets with the Rust-Oleum Cabinet Transformations kit. There is a pretty extensive post on this community with a video.Click here to learn more about it....See Moreweidiii
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