Who supplies the granite overhang support
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Experts, do we need support for granite overhang?
Comments (26)Folks- Let me just point out that the stone (3CM most likely in this application) will need to be adhered to the pony wall and the cabinet assembly with an adhesive of some sort - latex caulk, silicone, polyester or epoxy (I use latex caulk and sometimes silicone) to "freeze" the stone assembly to the substrate. The stone (IMHO) should never be just "set dry" on any substrate. The overhang intel from MIA is indeed designed to deal with the fulcrum effect that a piece of stone will develope - when more of it's mass is not supported by a substructure - ie: pony wall or cabinet assembly.... I am NOT an Engineer.. (I should have been cuz I love the structural stuf and all) but alas - I am just a Fab-Ri-Mi-Cator that's been doing this Natural Stone gig for 24 1/2 years now. and I have seen, done & learned a lot over the years. We are ALL in the learning curve at all times - it is just that some of us have been in the curve longer than others..... Thanks for all of your kind words - I hope that you'll benefit from my ramblings. You can also check out my consumer education website at natural stone 101.com. I will be posting pod-casts on various topics on Natural Stone that are brought up by consumers. kevin...See MoreGranite Gurus - how would you support this much overhang?
Comments (13)ni 2006: As far as the assembly that you are proposing goes, here's my suggestions: Here's what the Marble Institute of America's Technical Design Manual says (pretty much THE BIBLE for the Stone Industry): 1. ANY unsupported span of 3CM slab greater than 10" needs to have corbels or a structurally sound mechanism for support. 3. Plywood alone will not be sufficient in this application. Here's a question for you - are you going to have a thicker laminated edge at the perimeter if the island? Like a 6CM edge detail? If so, you could use 1" x 1" angle iron or box stock epoxied to the underside of the stone to help support the overhang... just a thought - it works pretty good in unique design situations like the one you're proposing.... ALSO - is that column going in AFTER the stone, or is is already there? IF it's already there, you'll probably have to have a seam to accomadate getting the stone around the column... let us know on these details - it will help making some more accurate suggestions kevin Kevin M. Padden Fabricator, Trainer and Consultant to the Natural Stone Industry www.azschoolofrock.com www.naturalstone101.com...See More18" granite overhang and everyone tells me I don't need supports
Comments (34)As promised here are pictures of the supports installed. We couldn't do the steel sheet because on the backside of the 12" cabinets, which face the overhang, is the sink. Stacy at Amastin knew what type of granite we had and the cabinet layout and recommended installing two supports at approximately 31" apart where cabinet boxes joined together and we had extra support below. The supports are 24" long - 12" on cabinets, 12" overhang. We realize that the supports are farther apart than the typically recommend 16-20", max of 24", but it was by far better than not having any supports at all and we are happy with the solution. We also were very impressed with Amastin's customer service and would gladly use him again in the future. Here are the pictures before and after install. If anyone would like more information just let me know....See MoreSupport for 18 inch Granite Peninsula Overhang
Comments (10)cawfee, I've seen large tables made of 2cm granite, without any plywood. (!) They've never cracked. I've seen many renovators who overkill things, just to be sure. Most do. In fact, they all do. Otherwise things would crack or move later. How many simultaneous dancing 200-pounders do you want to support on your countertop, this is the question. I've seen kitchens that were more solid than the walls and the house. How many future earthquakes and foundation cracks will your house live through before your countertop also cracks, this is the question. At some point you have to let go of the wish to overkill, and call it good enough. This is up to you. Sooner is usually the best time. Otherwise you go crazy trying to do ever better. So, "... Obviously, this needs supports ..." is true, to an extent, but what to do next is up to you , and up to your sense of overkill -- Part 2. "... seen mention of 2x1 rectangular steel pipe as supports (12-16 inches apart)..." Search on the term box girder to reassure yourself about "... rectangular steel pipe..." It's the strongest. For its size. But, this following statement isn't knowledge: "... I know I need to support at least 12 inches of the overhang (13-14 to be safe)..." It's a judgement call or a hunch, like most other rules of thumb. You choose "... plywood sit on top of these metal pipes or are the pipes routed into the plywood..." You choose because it doesn't matter. "... screwed down to the cabinets or is the weight of the slab sufficient to hold them in place..." golly, is the weight of the slab a lot of weight? do you want to drill a hole and screw it down just for greater overkill? -- Here it appears you want to save 0.75": " ... lower profile of the 2x1 over the 1 3/4 ..." I'm not sure what you are referring to. I read a lot. I remember a lot. If I don't know what you are referring to, I'll bet that the other readers also don't. I'll bet that most pro installers don't. I think you need to be more diligent about your descriptions. For your slab, nobody knows " ... how much deflection can granite handle ..." Therefore, nobody knows "... What wall thickness ..." But, in my estimation, there is nothing wrong with getting heavyweight wall thickness tube ("square pipe") since overkill is the objective. But, not much is lost if you get lightweight wall thickness tube. All you lose is a bit of the excess overkill. In Engineering, it's called a margin of safety. But it's the same thing. If you are willing to crack a few slabs under very tightly controlled conditions you will know factually how much weight cracks them (and how much microdeflection they will take). It's just a stone from a quarry. It's not a processed material from a factory made and "scientifically studied" material with "known" properties. Don't ask for answers that won't be good numbers. Anyone can invent a numerical answer for you if keep insisting on having numerical answers. How much overkill is enough? Hard to tell, not seeing anything from my keyboard here. Do you know anything about the flex in your floor? This is a big thing. This is the one thing that I recommend you to go look into before proceeding....See MoreJancy
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