You will need at least a filler to the left of the fridge to open the door to ninety degrees, even if the handle bypasses the wall. It may be better to shorten that wall as much as possible to allow the refrigerator to open more fully. (Unless you are getting something like a Leibherr which hinges within its own width.) If you shifted it all down 9-12" and put a tall cabinet there, the door would open fully.

That basic layout works with two caveats. Well, maybe three. There's the need for filler by the fridge. A narrow pullout pantry might nice, following Palimsest's thoughts. Also the ovens needlessly bisect the counter on that side. I don't think it would be a too big deal to have the ovens back to back with the sink, if you pushed them next to the fridge. (There's no problem putting ovens by fridges. It's done all the time.) Lastly, if I'm reading this right, and the white is the hood, would the wall there be a hazard for the cook? My guess is probably not. It didn't like the sink in that position, but don't seem to mind the stove so much.

Other than that...absolutely, if that's what sister (and mom) want, why not?

Or go oven, ref then combine all of the counter height cabinets. Its been my experience that interspersed little peices of counter are practically unusable - particularly when trapped between two tall things.

Even with that, when both sides of a cabinet run end up against a wall, you have to allow for at least a 1.5 inch filler somewhere to deal with walls and flooring that aren't plumb or straight and corners that aren't perfectly square.

Duh. Of course! B'more has it! :)

Seems obvious when she says it!

laughing Is there an acronym for spit fluid all over monitor?

oops, I was reading those ovens as the range...I would do a continuous run of counter rather than the oven stack in the middle.

I am wary of ovens next to the hinge side of the fridges because of damage to the fridge door by an open oven door. Yes, someone will open the fridge when the oven door is open.

hmm... agree regarding the opening frig door and little space between tall things. I am not liking frig/oven next next to each other because:

the nearest landing spot is either a sidestepping 30" or a pivot across traffic to the opposite counter carrying hot and heavy items..
Opening the frig means you are opening it in front of the ovens or vice versa....

If the white is the stove area, then I would definitely suggest shortening the wall behind to allow plenty of room for people walking by you and getting into the frig or other "helping" activities. Or could you switch the sink and the cooktop areas? Just not sure about having cooktop and its grease and steam in narrow passage area....

How about moving the oven down one more section and making larger space in between the frig/oven stacks? The oven would be by the table if you needed extra landing space for cooling multiple racks of cookies ... :)

Thank you. All great ideas.

Laundry wall cannot be shortened but I did move the whole sink wall as close to the den door as possible which also has the advantage of opening the dining room access a bit.

I agree on the two separate counters not being a good idea but it was nice to hear that re-affirmed.

Thought about putting the fridge against the laundry but that would have required fillers. This way saves the most space. What do y'all think?

Also most of the eating will be done at the kitchen table so that puts the fridge and clean up area where they will be used the most.

{{!gwi}}

I have a problem with the wall being across from the cooktop. You (they) thought there wasn't enough room for the oven there...but now there will be someone standing there trying to work while traffic tries to squeeze by b/w the person working there and the Laundry Room wall, which, btw, is an enclosed space, not an open space like you show...or has that changed?

You also said in an earlier thread they were both big women...so that makes that narrow aisle even more of an issue.

And yes, in the first layout they will need 9" to 12" of filler b/w the refrigerator & wall...that is, if they want to be able to open the doors fully....

That's the one. It puts your tall stuff on the same wall and still lets you have landing space. And you have a generous amount of room between the sink and cooktop--the most used area in any kitchen. The only tweak I might suggest is a MW cabinet, either base or upper, in between the fridge and range. I've even hung an OTR MW from a shorter cabinet to get a more "built in" type look and preserve countertop space.

I'm about a 4 hour drive from Nashville if you need any in person help on the install. Give me an email if I can help.

Looks good to me! In this version it looks like the stove is just this side of the laundry wall. Is that right? If so, I think it'll be okay. I agree with everything Buehl said about it, and it holds even if it isn't tush to wall protrusion, but everything else flows well enough that I think this is the one to make the compromise on.

In my experience, very operations at the stove prevent someone from stepping aside for a second, and the ones that do rarely last that long. Maybe stir frying is the exception, but there are even pause points in that.

What's good is that with the oven directly across, the cook can start something heavy, open the oven, stand sideways, and heave. :) A pivot isn't ideal, but it looks like it will still be pretty easy to shift something from stove to oven.

Yay!!! It feels good to have a plan.

I'm meeting with the cabinet guy on Monday and will tweak the layout to get the stove as much away from the wall as possible. Everything is completely custom so should be able to work with that.

Beuhl, I think part of the concern with the ovens there rather than just the cooktop, was that the ovens require 24" when the door is open whereas with the cooktop, you are right up against it.

Thanks again everyone.

Hmm... I am wondering again! LOL!

The window by the table... is that coming below the table line or will the table fit underneath the bottom of the window? I think it might be easier to open the window and to place something else there in the coming years if the windows are above the table line.

We took out windows and put in shorter windows to make it possible to place counters underneath them. Much easier to operate and didn't lose any light.. A thought...