Layout Gurus: 2 sinks in small galley kitchen?
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Comments (9)My cooktop is at the end of the run, sort of. There's not a wall, but there's a 12" deep floor-to-ceiling pantry cab, then there's an opening that leads around the corner to a side door. Your idea, to have counter on both sides of the stove, is best. A KD will tell you you should have landing space on both sides of the stove if you can. But you don't have to actually center it, it could be shifted over so you'd have, starting from the wall, maybe 9-12" of counter, then the 30" stove, then a bigger swath of counter, then the 24" fridge. You could even fit in a 30" fridge, and they aren't very expensive. The reason I suggest shifting over the stove a little is that I don't think I'd like to have my stove directly across from my sink. OTOH, my kitchen is less than 8' across, and you have 10' here, so the aisle is much wider. I saw the end of a basement remodel to create a rental apartment on HGTV recently, and they pointed out that the DW they installed would make a renter so happy because it is, it seems, uncommon. So adding one would make your unit more desirable. Since it's a rental, and I don't know if a renter would be happy about buying new cookware, induction might not be best for this application....See MoreMaking over a small galley on a budget - new layout
Comments (23)It seems to me you ideally should get - Refrigerator close to the breakfast room (less pushing through the galley to get milk). Consider storing breakfast things (cereal, bowls, etc) in the breakfast room. You also have the option of beverage refrigerator (milk, juice) in the breakfast room. - Sink and cooktop on one side of the kitchen, with as much counter as possible on that side. You're not one to spin around and use the counter behind you, so you need as much counter as possible on the main ''working side'' of the kitchen. Having sink and cooktop on the same counter is convenient. - Refrigerator not directly across the galley aisle from the sink or the cooktop or the counter between those two. The aisle around the refrigerator is going to be about 33'' if you use 24'' deep cabinets on both sides with minimal countertop overhangs. (You can get a wider aisle in most of the kitchen, but let's focus on the refrigerator here.) A counterdepth refrigerator will be around 27'' deep, so it will reduce that aisle width further. If you can recess it into the wall you can reclaim 3'' or so (feasible even with a load-bearing wall, it is basically like building a doorway). Even with a recessed counterdepth refrigerator, the door swing will interfere with someone standing in the aisle. So you want to avoid locating prep, washing, and cooking in that door swing. - Cooktop and wall oven. Ranges are around 28'' deep and often need some additional clearance behind them. Rangetops are also usually about 28'' deep. Since aisle width is tight, a cooktop which is typically 22-23'' deep seems the best choice, to fit in 24'' deep cabinets. This forces you to use a wall oven, and I'd put it on the non-working side of the kitchen. - Prep zone close to the fridge and the pantry. To minimize squeezing back and forth in the narrow aisle every time you need to fetch a lemon, some cream, an onion, etc. All this suggests, I think, a layout like: - on the interior wall, which becomes the ''storage side'' of the kitchen, put the refrigerator nearest the breakfast room, then pantry, with wall oven(s) at the other end. - on the exterior wall, which becomes the ''working side'', a run of counter across from the refrigerator (with dishwasher under), then the sink, then a long stretch of counter (the main prep space, under the window), then the cooktop, then some landing zone. - counterdepth refrigerator, recessed, probably French door or side-by-side (for the narrower doors). Cooktop with hood venting to the outdoors, can be induction or gas. Dish-drawer type dishwasher (a conventional type with bottom-hinged door will hopelessly clog up the aisle, no matter where placed, a dishdrawer can be slid in and out as easily as closing a drawer). A wall oven, or two. One oven could be a speed oven, but they are expensive, and it seems more convenient for the microwave to be at the refrigerator end of the kitchen. The pantry cabinet could be shallower, as depth isn't that useful in a pantry (depends on if you'll use pullout pantry organizers or simply fixed shelves) and you get something like 38'' aisle width in the kitchen center (depends on the options in the cabinet line you use). - change the position and width of the doorway from breakfast room to kitchen, to accommodate the 24'' counter on the exterior wall and avoid interfering with the refrigerator door swing. That means shifting the doorway to the right a few inches. Shouldn't cost much. Remember, there is no point to a 36'' wide door leading to a 33'' aisle. - moving cooktop and sink to the exterior wall will cost some ($2-3K?) but I think it will make for a much better layout. The exterior wall can provide a significantly longer counter than the short interior wall. The exterior wall has a window, which works when it is over a counter but not when it is boxed in by fridge, oven, and pantry cabinets. You can recess into an interior wall, but an exterior wall is harder or not possible depending on climate and construction. Layout is the most important thing. If budget requires, I would live with the crappiest Craigslist appliances, builder-grade fixtures, the cheapest laminate counters, skip the backsplash, learn some DIY skills, etc - to get a good layout. A $100 Home Depot faucet will work 90% as well as a $1000 faucet porn star, and can be changed out in an hour someday. A $100 no-name stainless steel sink will work 120% as well as a $2000 Shaws fireclay apron front sink of indeterminate dimensions, unknown drain placement, and - oh, drat, its cracked. A laminate or butcher block or granite tile counter will work - well, at least 100% as well, and maybe better than a pricey Carrera marble counter that has you popping Valium whenever lemons or wineglasses are set on it. But a lousy layout will be a lousy layout, forever, no matter how much lipstick is applied....See MoreFinal kitchen layout review - small galley kitchen
Comments (26)I am the original poster- don't know what happened, but my original garden web account seems to have gotten mixed in with my houzz account. Anyway... not trying to troll or anything here. This is really a fascinating thread, and definitely highlights the challenges of designing for a smaller space when every inch counts! I think the most compelling argument here is focused on what is needed for today vs. what MAY be needed of tomorrow. So, it's not really about functionality but risk and probability. It's too bad we don't have a nice little financial equation that will help us determine the "net present value" of the choices. I really just hate wasting money, and want to do every bit of planning possible to avoid the potential of having to rip something out in the future because it was a poor decision. I think my primary problem is that I really want a 30' x 40' kitchen with high end appliances and all of the bling I could possibly imagine. But, that is not my reality. And, it's really hard to figure out what is most important and how to choose when I can only afford about 35% of what I want. It's really hard on these forums to communicate a budget - I have no issue moving my fridge and range to opposite ends of the universe, but there is a cost involved in that, and I really need to be careful how I allocate my budget. So, I have chosen to leave my electrical and plumbing pieces where they are - and stay within the current footprint. I have to say - it can be pretty intimidating posting and asking for help when you are one of the "I have a small kitchen" folks. I really have no idea what I will end up with. But, I do know that I will post my updates as they occur as I want to ensure future "small galley kitchen" searches have something to reference! Thank you so very much to all of the wonderful comments and advice I have received. Funkycamper, benjesbride - you guys have been providing feedback and valuable input for the past 6 months as I have persevered to navigate the very rough waters of kitchen design. The end is so very near and this is the most stressful process I have EVER experienced!...See MoreSink placement in small galley kitchen...
Comments (15)Linelle, my favorite is to have the DW on one side of the sink and the dishes on the other. That way, you can stand between the open drawer and the open DW. Not always realistic, though. Five or so years ago, people were freaking out about having dish storage on the opposite side of an island from a DW even though it meant walking around the island only once. (My old account got eaten in the switch to Houzz somehow. I usually hang for a few months, wander off, and then come back 6 months to a year later.) But it's less annoying to have dishes closer to the dining area than to have to do a little walking to put them away. Cpartist, you can do what you want. I was just casting my vote, and I have 15 stitches from tripping over an open dishwasher while cleaning as I was cooking in a narrow galley kitchen as support for my position!...See Morewagnerpe
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