Crown Point and other inset door folk - door closing question
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Comments (25)I have used both Crown Point and Wood-Mode for projects and they both make good solid cabinets. Crown Point is a smaller company than Woodmode. I have now found a small company in Chicago that has earned my business, "Best Cabinets". Best Cabinets is a small custom manufacturer of custom cabinets and custom furniture. They own their own Sawmill and Kilns and have very good quality. They Bookmatch and sequece match their lumber for better quality than many of the larger companies. Also, the construction of their cabinets is supurb. There standard drawer boxes are Solid Maple Dovetailed and they install a Walnut Face to their drawer box which looks awesome. They build Inset, Framed and Frameless Cabinets. All 3/4" Maple Plywood Construction for their cases. They will custom match any paint or stain color for "no extra charge". They will "measure" and or "install" anywhere in the USA. They hand deliver all their cabinets in a blanket wrapped truck anywhere in the US. I like their hinges better than "Crown Points" and the Quality of the cabinets seems better than Wood-Mode. They are also great at servicing clients both locally and out of state. They have award winning designers and one of their kitchens was just selected for the front cover of a National Magazine, "Signature Kitchens & Baths".(Winter 2011) Here is a link that might be useful: custom kitchens...See MoreHow can I get from this to the look of a CrownPoint kitchen??
Comments (12)Thank you so much for these responses! It is like being in a candy store, reading such helpful advice! We went to a granite store early this morning...very sketchy place. The price was so good (too good) for a reason, we had to step over other people's templates to get to the stone!! Very scary. Anyhow, we will not be using them...but while we were there we saw a honed black granite. Made me fall in love with the soapstone look all over again. I'm just worried that black won't do anything for the cabinetry. Our cabinets are a stained maple to look like a darker cherry/walnut. Doesn't quite look like either one - somewhat in between. Just not my taste, but not in the budget to totally redo them either. Plus they are well made with nice birch interiors. Made by a local Amish man who is going to make the rest of the perimeter cabinets. So we will keep what we have. Thanks for all of you telling me they look nice. I just hope I can get them to look better. Elizpiz - your kitchen is beautiful!! I love the sage and the pulls that you have. We are definitely going to be replacing the hardware as well. But that is a whole other decision for another day (or month, or year). How are your soapstone counters? I am worried about them being next to a stovetop and getting oil stains. Is that a problem? I think soapstone would function similar to honed granite. I plan on reading more on the blogs tonight about people's different experiences with soapstone and honed granite, just so we know what we are getting ourselves into, if we decide that. I'm going to attempt to upload pictures of pictures I love from Crown-Point. Just new to the photobucket thing, so I will try that on my next entry. Also, I really agree with everyone's thought about the island and seating. I had an epiphany last night about 1 am, as I was tossing and turning thinking about all of this, that our kitchen will look like seating, seating and more seating if we do chairs at the island. I want the functional area to look like a cook's kitchen and the table (to be replaced hopefully sooner than later) to look like our seating area. Plus I will have the a stool at the new desk area (under the moved glass cabinet by the french doors). I saw an island that I fell in love with in the Peter Lemos book "Kitchens for the Rest of Us." It was very simple and had open shelving on one side and drawers/doors on the other. What do you all think of this? The open shelving would face the refrig/oven (which we now may switch around because of your helpful thoughts in terms of that, too). The shelving had 2 wide openings and 1 more narrow in the middle. The side just had simple molding to the floor and there were toe kicks on either side. Wish I could find a picture on the internet of it. I will look. This would mean that we would see the shelving as you enter the kitchen. And the island could be about 36" deep and 72" long (no room to flip the other way). I had originally thought of shelving facing the table, but now after seeing this I'm thinking of having it run along one whole 72" side. Thoughts? And you really think I could pull off a butcher block with black honed or soapstone counters?? But what color? ugh too many decisions and I won't be able to repaint that decision, like everything I do! Thanks again!...See MoreInset doors and overlay drawers - what lines can do this?
Comments (21)kompy - Thank you for the encouragement! Yes, lipped drawer, inset door (shaker) - that is what is needed! I am so depressed though - I went to plan out a layout with the Omega/Dynasty guy today. Specifically in that line there is no lipped option so the drawer would have to be a plain overlay slab and their edges were all too square for me. So I looked at their inset doors and inset drawers and I must say I was horrified by their inset drawers. I have not checked any other cabinet brands but on these you could plainly see the drawer slide hardware at the sides of the drawer box. The slides were bottom to the face frame underneath the drawer and the cabinet sides. I found that strange - I thought the inset drawer would have a smaller box with slides mounted further in so that the drawer front would cover them. Though these were pretty small drawers (12" I think) so perhaps that is why the slides were at the drawer sides? KD said that is how they all are done.... I am going to look at others... I am absolutely certain that Crown Point does not do them that way because I cannot imagine why people would pay so much for them if they look like that.... Am I looking for too much? Right now I am considering a local guy who is coming round tomorrow. Crown Point gave me a layout with exactly what I want - inset doors and the partial overlay drawers (I assume they are lipped as I mentioned that to them). Their price is up there of course but I have not yet got anything else to compare it with. Someone just posted a link to danielle00's kitchen which is Crown Point frameless in quarter sawn oak. It looks fantastic and honestly gives a period look. I am now wondering if perhaps Crown Point frameless would please me just as much as the Omega line. Neither is going to be period correct but perhaps that is not as essential as the overall quality. This is all driving me crazy! Thanks for all the input. Tina...See MoreBeaded inset: on door or frame?
Comments (13)kmkeenan - I am pleased with my Kountry Kraft cabinets, don't get me wrong. It is just that I now believe I could have had a better/finer end result for very close to the same money if I'd gone with a quality individual cabinet maker. No big commercial outfit is completely custom - they all make boxes and fit them into your space. A talented cabinet maker can build on site if needed for certain situations. My "big" issues with KK are as follows - The seam where two boxes would meet was very obvious and you could see it get thinner where the installer had screwed the two together. The reason, I'm told, is that the factory sands the edges of each box ever so slightly, which rounds them a bit so that when two edges meet, they have a bit of a shadow between them that really shows up a lot with white inset cabinets. In contrast, where my installer had to scrib a piece of cabinetry onsite to "fill" a space, the resulting seam was almost invisible bc he cut the piece himself instead of it being done at the factory, so the edge was very sharp and not at all rounded. Anotoher flaw, which you could probably prevent if you clarify in your contract. I had exposed hinges with my inset doors. Where two sets of doors met in my kitchen the hinges weren't aligned in a level way, so one set would be slightly higher than the one next to it. If you get exposed hinges, you should ask that all your hinges be carefully installed at the exact same place on each cabinet door so that when they end up next to each other, they are level. This is something I never would have thought of until we saw them installed and it really bugged us. Here is a picture - (you can see the seam issue here as well. Basically a dark line where every box meets another!) One of the big corbel things on my range hood cover had globs on it that could not be redone and wasn't able to be touched up very well. This was a simple quality control issue that fell through the cracks and left a bad taste in my mouth. The average person will never notice it, but I do. My KD promised me all the bells and whistles I wanted would be included in my price (knife drawer, divided sections in my storage drawers, etc.) Well, he had never designed a kitchen with dish drawers before and says he didn't realize that the wooden dowels that are required for the drawers would cost $55 for a set of four (4 are needed to corral each stack of dishes/bowls - a minimum of 4 sets per dish drawer, and more if stacking items of smaller diameter!) He only gave me 4 sets for my two dish drawers and I had to pay for more myself. After spending over $90K for my KK cabinets, this nickel & diming ticked me off. Get EVERYTHING promised in writing! Everyone will be happier for it in the end! Last, I had a few doors and drawers damaged by my *%*(&($ Contractor and they had to be replaced. The replacements came in a slightly pinker hue than the rest of my kitchen. We even sent in the cover to my desk drop-down drawer so they could redo it and try to color match perfectly, and they still came back pinker. This is incredibly noticeable to me in the daytime and still makes me boil a little every time I notice it. I'm certain that if my cabinet maker guy had done my kitchen that he could have done a better job matching the color for the replacement doors/drawers. The bottom line is, with a big company you will not get the attention to detail that you would get with a talented, quality cabinet maker....See Morelesmis
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