Major Disappointment With Pella Windows and Doors - Caveat Emptor
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Comments (20)I have no experience with Mr. Handyman, but have used Handyman Connection (also a franchise) as well as two local contractor services. I consider them a great boon to couples like my husband and I, who both work and are not terribly handy. They all charge at least $75/hr, which is quite a bit less than our auto mechanics charge. We have had work done by several different contractors, and like most customers, have our "favorites" that we ask for as our first preference. The only disappointment we have had was a plumbing connection that has (still has, in fact) a slow leak that I need to have redone. The contractor tried his best, came back twice afterwards. Then tragically he was in a horrendous auto crash and is now permanently disabled. But his other work was fine; we were, and are, quite happy with it. I'd already realized we need to find a "real" plumber to deal with this issue anyway, there is some other evidence that we may need that specialised skill set. We've been fortunate that we have had no bad experiences, although there is one contractor that we prefer not to use -- his skills are fine, we just don't get a solid feeling about his ethics. Nothing truly bad, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pads his time a bit here and there, and we did not like at all how he treats his helpers. One of those "nice upstream, bad downstream" types, and that doesn't fly well with us. I frankly don't think workmen were any better "in the old days" then they are now. However, there are a lot FEWER people in blue-collar work now, then before. The majority of us work in white-collar jobs, and there's still just as many mistakes being made now as before, it's just that these days they're on paper, not carved into wood or stone. We live in a house built in 1940 and it was shoddy to begin with. It has nothing to do with quality of workmanship; the developer who built this house was famous for slipshod, cheap work. My sister-in-law now lives in the developer's house about two miles away from ours, and it's amazing they haven't had some sort of catastrophic accident in the last 10 yrs, that place is built so poorly. The old guy didn't care, he died rich and that's ALL he cared about....See MoreMarvin Ultimate double hung are a huge disappointment. see pics
Comments (33)Millworkman, so u sell 98% Vinyl products to the commercial industries..that's great.. Sadly, you did attack me. Exclamation points are a sign of excitement or to show how strongly you feel about what you are saying. Like yelling at me in with your words not your voice. However, I wish I was talking to you face to face or over the phone, much more comfortable for me that way. Whatever,,it is what it is now... i gave too much information. All you need is the Product Code from the Energy Star Label (maybe the Licensee # too) and the websites to go on, ..there are not many people who would think to breaking down the information on the Energy Star Label as I did. I know soo much about Windows..."windows are not just windows" There are Standards that must be followed, paperwork to fill out explaining the test, name of the Lab that will do the testing, an IA to approve, for each unit that is tested, and $$$.$$ for each unit that is tested, if you are a member, you pay less than those who are not members.. The only reason I can think of for constantly attacking HOW I explained my situationand over the facts of the situation, was to distract the reader. People have a tendency to follow along, to be a part, to fit in...that's ok, my own fault for taking the chance. I should have listened to my inner voice that was totally afraid to do this at all..and not posted my situation. I have been trying to explain, since May..before the installation was complete, that these windows are not what I ordered, than find that they are no longer an active windows, they have been in the archives for ...when realizing they told me this much info, they were not willing to tell me how long or when the Energy Performance Ratings expired.... From whom I recieved this information, you can guarantee, is with out a doubt, solid as a ROCK, reliable source! Now don't go and focuses on the fact that I did not receive what I ordered. The fact is that THE ENERGY PROFORMANCE RATINGS, FOR EACH WINDOW, ARE IN THE ARCHIVES..THIS HAS EXPIRED. There really is an explanation date for windows... If you know how to find this out for yourself, do that. oberon476 has short sentences and paragraphs. Consider this as puzzle you downloaded. Have fun with it! We will call it "The Mystery of EPR for Marvin Windows" Find clues the clues in oberon476 biography...remeber, Have fun with it! Nassau Door & Window, E-Z Touch Home Improvement & Remodeling Inc., and Super Enterprises (they distribute Marvin Windows in Queens), .. **Oh, I have to add Marvin Family of Brands also, they told me they Manufactured and Mulled the 2-Wide and the Bay Window..These windows were dumped off on me because I paid in full, by check, on April 3, 2017 when I placed the order with NDW..**can I blame them for Windows from Marvin? Maybe if I put down $200.00 and gave the balance later? I don't know...I need a good set of testicles like you millworkman. 4 months of this...I can not explain the toll this has taken in my life..as this has been nothing but back and forth..as you all have done, not seeing the facts just the nonsense in between...I can not break this down any smaller than I have! I can not move forward. I am holding the family back from moving forward... **. reason for questioning...See MoreWill we regret going with Pella Proline?
Comments (23)I predict that you will regret buying any Pella product, if your experience is like mine. I have a house full of Pella Proline Casement Windows. About half of them are rotten. I called and wrote Pella, and they basically said tough luck because they were beyond the warranty period. We'll I paid twice the price to get the Pella brand, only to learn that they were worthless. I expected these to be essentially lifetime windows, regardless of the warranty, but instead they were rotten in 10 years. I've found that Pella management is negotiable, but hides behind a very hard shell. They denied my claim about 6 different times. Only after I told them that I knew of other similar cases where Pella either gave the homeowner free windows or windows at 70% off did we start making some progress. They started at 30% off, then 50%, then 70%. I said ok to 70% and in the end they ended up GIVING THEM TO ME. It took a year and perhaps 40 phone calls and emails but that was the result. To win this game you have to ultimately get the name of a high level manager, and I mean a really high level manager. All of the low level folks are told to deny, deny, deny. You can have the low level person to give you the name of their manager and work up the line persistently this way. In the end, it was access to a top level manager in PELLA IOWA (outside of customer service), and my pictures showing the bottom of the sashes rotted completely through that won this for me. If you are not unusually persistent you will fail. Ultimately I had the names and email addresses of possibly 4 top level managers. Good luck to all who try. I did my own installation, and with some good help, you can replace one in about 20 minutes) If Pella Windows were free I would decline them. They are junk through and through, in my opinion, and the Pella folks will try every trick in the world to make you go away....See MoreAlternative to Fleetwood Windows & Doors?
Comments (206)Alexandra E., Hello! I've sold Fleetwood, Western, Jeld Wen, WeatherShield, and Awake products. Paring the list down to thermally broken aluminum products, let's focus on Fleetwood, Western, and Awake. Right now, Fleetwood is suffering from an incredibly long lead time, of between 38-52 weeks, depending on the series you order, I've been told. Western is at 6 weeks, Awake, depending on size of job, is 12-14 weeks. All 3 offer narrow site line multi slide doors, though the Fleetwood Edge series is a trainwreck. Awake has an almost full line-up of narrow siteline products, ranging from multi slide doors to swing doors to fixed multiple lite windows using their T-Bar offering. Western currently has only the 300 Series door systems that offer a narrow site line multi slide door. Of these 3 manufacturers, Awake has the thinnest profile at 3/4", Fleetwood Edge is at 1", and the 300 Series by Western comes in at 1-1/8". Cost to consumer, from lowest to highest would go; Western, Awake, Fleetwood. Heights - 132" is easily done by all 3 (Western, Awake, Fleetwood). Panel size on multi slide doors is constrained by the glass manufacturer they are supplied by. Western and Fleetwood utilize Cardinal 366 Series glass, which is held in size to a max width of 94" and a max height of 144". A general rule of thumb is standard glazing goes up to 70 square feet. Beyond that, you move into jumbo glass. Awake and Fleetwood can go up to 100 square feet in their panel size for multi slide doors. I believe Western is held at 70 square feet. For sills, all three offer a flush and thinline/t-sill, where the space between the tracks can be infilled with tile or natural stone - DO NOT BRING wood to within 24" of a thinline or t-sill as you can suffer water damage to your wood floor. Carpet is not a good idea too, as your door will never seal (had a client do this, then called me at 11pm to tell me he's suffering from a draft). Awake and Fleetwood can go up to 180", possibly even 192", depending on the width of the panel. Western is capped at 144" height. Full height or transom windows? You'll pay the same when it's all said and done. To carry transom windows over a multi slide door system, you'll need steel (to keep a narrow profile) or wood (to keep costs down) above the multi slide door system, that runs the entire length of the frame (this would include pockets). What I've done in the past for clients who wanted transoms above their multi slide door is I take a 2" x 5" tube steel, lay it on it's side, then run upllift legs that tie into the header or trusses that run above both systems, to maintain the integrity of the multi slide door frame and preventing any sagging. In one instance, I had to tie another 2"x5" run of tube steel 90° of the other to help provide the strength needed for wind deflection to a wind speed of 72 mph. *it was a 480" daylight opening, double pocket Western 600 series door, with 60" awning windows at the end, and fixed windows between, that made up the transom. Hope this information has helped you! Best of luck with your decision and build....See MorePreston Witt
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