Jeld Wen Siteline EX, Lincoln or Sierra Pacific double pane?
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Comments (61)I looked at the Windsor Pinnacle Casement online and there was not enough information for me to take them seriously. I was not impressed with what little was offered which consisted of typical sales claims ("heavy duty extruded cladding" that appeared to be thin hollow extrusions) and a cut-away sample of a lower corner of a window that was impossible to understand since it was cut diagonally. Marvin provides scaled detail drawings in plan and section that can be downloaded....See MoreAthensmom/others - Lincoln windows questions
Comments (37)We looked at many of these brands as well. Our price for Pella Architect Series double hung vs. Windsor Pinnacle Clad were virtually identical. Windsor was able to show me their extruded aluminum which looked solid. When I mentioned this difference to the Pella guy, he told me Pella is far superior and that extruded aluminum is really just a fancy marketing phrase used by the competition. However, he couldn't demonstrate the superiority of the product, so in the end we are planning to go with the Windsor. We priced Anderson - it was a bit less than the Windsor / Pella quote. I was not sure about the Anderson product as it doesn't seem to be aluminum at all (but maybe I just misread). Some things that had a big effect on the price (which I didn't previously think about): 1.) Number of lites --- the more you have, the more expensive the price 2.) Hardware -- ORB can drive up the price a bunch. 3.) Anything tempered costs more, so windows close to doors cost more to pass code. 4.) Colored cladding --- I wanted ivory vs. white white --- this is a 2-3% upcharge for Pella --- standard pricing for Windsor. 5.) Screens --- obviously, if you have them, they cost more I played with my quote quite a bit, and fine tuned it --- I was able to save a lot of money by taking screens out of places like the garage, or hidden windows. I used ORB hardware everywhere except attic windows and garage -- this saved me some money. I fixed (made non-operable) some of the windows where appropriate and finally, I am using Emtek hardware made for Windsor vs. Windsor hardware (this will be seamless to me as Windsor handles it), but it saves me several thousand dollars. I am sure I have been a pain to the Windsor guy, changing and changing to try to save some money, but the savings have been worth it to me as I am getting lots more included for much less now. He has been very helpful in working with me (in Charlotte). Anyway, my point is, whichever window line you choose, you can probably find some efficiencies if you spend the time going through the quote. Thanks for all of the great info above! Rachel...See Morerain and wood windows
Comments (6)Hi, I have been entrenched in the window industry and I have definately had my share of questions like this before. I'll try to stick to the facts only, and then let you decide what you believe to be best. 1) Pine will warp just as bad as fir, or as little as fir, their is no difference. The major difference between fir and pine, as kec01 said, is the staining. Fir is definately a "prettier" wood and will stain up much nicer than the pine. That being said, their are two different types of grain you will find in fir windows, flat grain and edge grain. Flat grain occurs when the wood is cut parallel to the grain, you end up with a large "flat" grain pattern. Edge grain occurs when you cut the wood perpendicular to the grain which shows off the "edge" of the grain. Edge grain wood is more expensive and more desirable. If you are going to stain the windows then edge grain fir is definately the best choice. If you are going to paint the windows, pine would be the best choice as it is less expensive, and you are going to end up covering the grain anyways. 2) your window guy made a comment about how his windows are "TDL" This would be relating to the glass in the window. His windows are True Divided. This means that in a window with wood grilles you could potentially have 9 seperate pieces of glass in each window. TDL windows are outdated and as far as energy efficiency goes are not nearly as efficient as Simulated Divided Lites. SDL windows are constructed to look like a TDL window but use one large piece of glass with a "shadow bar" inbetween the two panes and an external wood or metal grille. Esthetically you can not tell the difference between the two windows, but you can tell the difference when looking at U values and Solar Heat Gain numbers. 3) Issues with Double Hung Windows. Double Hung windows will definately not be as efficient as a casement window, and they do not have the same ratings as a casement window either. In Canada the rating for windows are governed by the CSA - A440. This is a testing standard that major window manufactures test to. There are three ratings, A,B,C, highest value for A is 3, B is 7, C is 5. The higher the number, the better the window. A is Air Infiltration, B is Water Penetration and C is Wind Load (DP rating in the states). Traditionally a well constructed double hung window will rate at an A2, B2, C2, a well constructed casement will rate as an A3, B5, C4, smaller casements will rate at the max, A3, B7, C5. 4) Pine windows in the rain. All wood rots, it's a constant problem in the market place. JELD-WEN has created a treatment for their pine windows that allows them to warranty the windows for 20 years against any rot or termite infestation. The treatment is called Aurolast, and has recieved a ton of commendations and awards in the industry. On top of the 20 year warranty on the wood, JW will warranty their Custom Wood windows for 20 years against sealed unit failure, 20 years on the hardware, and 20 years against manufacturer defect, it is trully the best warranty in the business. If you do not want to use pine, they also produce the window with edge grain fir, mahoganny or knotty alder. I live in southwestern BC (think of Seattle but north of the border) and these windows are awesome up here, I definatley believe that the JELD-WEN Custom Wood windows would be your best bet. if you go to www.jeld-wen.com and view their custom wood window section you can get a great feel for the product. I hope this helps....See MoreNew Siteline EX window series
Comments (11)Well, DH and I are just finalizing our window order for our new home and we selected the Teton over the Siteline EX (and Sierra Pacific Windows). I'll be happy to share the differences we learned between the two (sorry I can't answer waldstein's question about Siteline and Siteline EX) from a consumer standpoint - someone else will have to chime in for a technical review! FYI, the only Siteline EX samples available were handmade and not exactly "ready" to show as sales samples because they were a bit crude. This was one of the reasons we decided to go with the Teton, because we didn't want to be the guinea pigs for the Siteline EX. I'm sure when they come out with the production samples, more people will have confidence if they see a true sample of the finished product. One difference we noticed was the exterior; the Teton window is recessed and the Siteline is flush (similar to the Custom/Pozzi window). I don't think either one is "better" but it's more a matter of personal preference and what fits your style home. We're doing mediterranean, so recessed is better for us. The crank handle (we're doing casements) on the Siteline EX was a folding handle, vs. the Teton's regular stationary handle. We liked the folding better, but luckily you are able to order the Teton with the folding handle as a very inexpensive option. The interior wood trim on the Teton is larger and more detailed than the Siteline EX, which we like better (these are our first wood windows, so more visible wood is better for us!) However, the deciding factor for us is that we really liked one of the Custom/Pozzi colors (Redwood) and we found out that Jeld-Wen would do a special run of the Teton in that color, but not the Siteline EX. For a brief moment, we thought about going with the Custom/Pozzi just because the color was pretty important to us, but we're glad it worked out this way (and so is our budget!) Also, by getting the Custom/Pozzi color, we're also getting the Kynar 500 resin system, which has a 20-year finish warranty. One more thing, the price difference was very, very insignificant...the Siteline EX came in at about 5% less than the Teton. Here is a link that might be useful: Our Home Building Blog...See More
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