I guess it's all a matter of perspective. If the active harvesting of peat for horticultural purposes of the .02% of the total Canadian peat reserves causes greater environmental alarm and concern than than the 15% that has been lost to development through deforestation, urbanization, industrialization and agriculture, then something is radically wrong with the underlying logic. This will continue to be a debate that will have little resolution. Diehard environmentalists will continue to insist that horticultural peat is a non-renewable resource despite all evidence to the contrary. And while they consider this evidence faulty simply because it is produced by those involved in the peat industry - for scientific as well as commercial interests - does not negate the fact that those involved are the only ones bothered to complile and produce the statistics that represent this evidence -- all the rest is merely suppostion and innuendo repeated ad nauseum. One doesn't often hear from these same folks about their boycotting of Canadian lumber and agricultural products that have a much greater impact on the demise of peat bogs - they pick their arguments to suit their case, as do most of the vast uninformed and uneducated. It's still a matter of personal choice. If for whatever reason - based on ill-formed logic or otherwise - one chooses not to use peat, that's fine. But to lambaste those who do based on the faulty logic they advocate that the use of horticultural Canadian peat is somehow radically and irretrievably altering the environment is to ignore their own personal impact that has a far greater adverse affect.

Over many years I have made drawings of my dream home, which includes all the solar power, enviornment resources available, etc. I had a contractor friend take a look & his reply was "you need a better paying job", this translates to lots of money needed. I notice periodically, that many Californians, especially in the central valley area have installed solar power, but they also say that it takes a few years to recover investment. I still hope, in my life time, that solar power especially will become a common installation in homes as well as factories. In the meantime, I set the therostats & threaten anyone who even looks like they are going to change them. Shame on Gore and kudos to Bush(even though I still think his Mama should smack him once in a while) Thanks for sharing this with us! Pat

What is this for? I think it's obvious. She's making a list, checking it twice Gonna find out who's naughty or nice Obviously she knows when we're awake, we're here typing but I'll have to draw the line at any spying on me whilst I sleep (only Santa is that creepy - and sheesh is that necessary I've always wondered - let me dream.) I'm sure that's not R's intention, but she knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness' sake! If I was going to make a list of nice people on this forum, Rosemarie would be the first entry. I love lists of things, thanks for doing this, Rosemarie! Looks like you're probably as big of a fan of spreadsheets as I am, the best list-making tool ever, definitely at the top of the list of things to use to make a list! I'm already on the list, name's Tiffany, so a bit about? As my zone thing says, I live in AL, just north of the FL border, reformed work-a-holic, 7 years in the same house here is the longest I've ever lived in 1 dwelling, and no matter how many former house plants end up being hardy in the ground here, I still manage to find hundreds of sensitive ones to haul in the house for winter. I have just a couple big plants because I have more fun making tons of baby plants than leaving them alone for potential massiveification. I've been a house-plant-o-phile, GW'phile and outdoor gardener for a while but recently had enlightenment about the appeal of succulents so have been also popping in here often this past year. A lot of my interest started when I encountered mini gardens. Perfect for someone who loves tiny plants anyway.

That song "Fever" is on Adam's new album titled "For Your Entertainment". You should be able to find it where ever CD's are sold. It's selling really well! Enjoy!