Cement board as subfloor?
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Comments (5)How you do the infill depends on the eventual elevation differences you'll have between the hex you want to keep and whatever subfloor surface you'll have to work off of once whatever flooring you have under the tub is removed. Cement board is a fine material to tile off of. If you need more depth than that, then you can add plywood under the tub, then cover that with cement board, then tile on the cement board. When you install the cement board, you first have to bed it in thinset (thinset spread on the subfloor with a 1/4" notched trowel), then you screw or nail it down. The thinset isn't there to bond the cement board to the subfloor. The fasteners do that. The thinset simply fills in any micro-voids between the cement board and the subfloor which eliminates any future vertical deflection between the two materials. You can use unmodified thinset, about $10 a bag, between teh cement board and the subfloor. If you want to keep the same size hex under the tub that you have on your floor, as has been mentioned, you can add a border or transition strip on the floor, then install your new hex under the tub. You can transition with a solid inset piece, or you can add a dot or key (or some other) type of transition: As has been mentioned, sometimes trying to match things perfectly doesn't look so good when you can't get a perfect match. In that case, you can keep the metarial (marble) and shape (hex) but change the tile size. Add a transition strip, then tile with larger hex, say a 3" marble hex, under the tub. Then there is the option of keeping the material ant aproximate tile size, but changing the shape. For example, going to an obong hex: Or you can shift gears completely. You have options. Probably too many! lol If you want to keep things familiar between the new tile and old, try to keep two of the three properties similar; tile size, tile material, tile shape (pattern). The more you diverge from "matchy-match", the more unique the tub space can become. And do realize there is nothing wrong with that. If the other elements in the bathroom allow it, the tub floor space and the tub alcove can become a design element on its own....See MoreNeed fast subfloor tile help please!
Comments (8)I went through all of this. Mongoct and Bill V. are very helpful. Joist. you may or may not have the ridgidity to tile with stone. It requires a stiffer floor system than ceramic. Check the JohnBridge web site and look at their "deflectolator" to determine, roughly, your capacity. Subfloor. If you use cement board it has to be thinset inplace as well as screwed down. The thin set is not to glue in place but to fill voids that may flex and cause cracking of the tile system down the road. If you use plywood as the underlayment it needs to be screwed down on center every 6" not glued down. Ditra is a decoupleing membrain that goes down after your self leveling compound is installed. Check out my post on floor joist on the remodeling forum and here. There is a link to the remodeling forum that is very detailed and time consuming to read and interpret. I provide a link below. Check out Bill V's. post on frequently asked questions. bathroom tile FAQ's-bathrooms Check out Staceyneil's post on " Self-leveling compound & radiant heat: what I learned..." Mongoct has very detailed information throughout different posts. Here is a link that might be useful: Progress on floor prep for slate tile...See Morehow to lay ditra over cement board and heated mat
Comments (18)For the added 1/2" use plywood not OSB. With the added information: 1) Add your 1/2" plywood over the existing osb. 2) Dryfit your heating mat. Take a reading off the ohm meter and record that reading. Then pull up the mat and set aside. 3) Caulk all joints/holes in the floor to contain the slc. Add a dam at any doorway to contain the slc. 4) Add 1/2" thick foam around the perimeter of the floor to give a cushion between the slc and the wall's sole plate. 5) Prime the floor with slc primer 6) install the heating mat, test the leads with an ohm meter and record the reading. At a minimum use a squawk box. 7) Put slc primer in a garden spray can and spray another coating of slc primer on the floor and on the heating mat. 8) Mix and place the slc, have a squeegee to coax it into place. While it flows well, it's truly self leveling only if you help level it yourself. 9) record another reading off the ohm meter. Tile over the slc after it's fully cured. Plan on pouring about 3/8" of SLC, have enough on hand for a 1/2" pour just in case. You can always return unused bags, but if you have to run out mid-pour to get more product, you;re installation is toast. That 3/8" depth is for a perfectly level floor. If you floor is sloped, plan on having the thinnest part be 3/8", that thickness will fully cover the wire mats. Now that you're planing on using slc, you don't need cement board, you don't need ditra....See MoreTile and Floating Floor - Height Difference
Comments (3)I think I can give you a few options to solve your problems. First, try a different underlayment. Schluter DITRA (http://www.schluter.com/5372.aspx) could be a solution to part of your issue, although it is more expensive than concrete backer-board, it's also much thinner and easier to install. Next transition down from the height of the ceramic to the height of the laminate with the schluter Reno-U or the Reno V. I recently did a ceramic to laminate transition in a friends house using the Reno-U and it came out great. Finally, as for installing over the sheet vinyl, it's probably ok to do, because you mortar the backer down AND nail or screw it down afterward. Although personally, I'd probably still tear up the vinyl. I hope this helps, let me know if you have any more questions. Here is a link that might be useful: schluter transitions...See Morebeauty_brains
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