toddimt! Thanks so much! I just measured across the opening last night, because my husband had me worried that there just wasn't enough room for anything in that little space! It's over 17", so once the carpenter finishes I think it'll be perfect. I was so so happy to see those specs. Carpenter is out of town so I can't ask him. Are you pleased with your drawers? Can you fit much in them? Do you wish you'd put in a Super Susan instead? I'm still very excited to get the drawers, but I'd love to get other opinions. Thanks so much for your quick reply.

-- The Look In a kitchen "petite" like ours, two parallel runs make it visually simple. It's a straight line walkthrough with no doors. Three or four drawer-cabinets make a clean sight line. All in a row. The entrance hallway at one end, and lots of sunlight at the other end. On hettich.com and blum.com it's a clean look (showing islands not galleys with walls). We will keep one wall uncluttered and use glass and mirrors to increase natural light. On another wall we will have horizontal uppers (hiding the vent hood inside). We would hide any small appliance that found its way into our space. If we decide to have a cabinet, we'll build the facade out of drawers bolted together at the back, to keep the same look. -- Loss of space I believe frameless cabinets have rails that take up about 1.5" space (width). The loss in width compared to having shelves is negligible. In my current face-frame cabinetry the loss in width is about 5 inches (!) I'm not an expert and I'm not playing one here either. These are my figures based on a little bit of observation. I'll be glad to know more from anyone who has details or breadth of experience. -- Trade-Off if all drawers Glad to know that someone else is wondering about "stacking things as well". "As well in drawers as on shelves", I presume. I'm thinking that we'll need Internal drawers inside a few of the deep drawers. -- Storing Noxious Odor Products In the drawer under the sink I'll keep cleaning products in a sealed container so their odors don't get out much. We don't have many different products. We have a huge entry closet where we keep shoe care stuff -- that is where I'd keep some of the cleaning stuff if it became a concern; e.g. 8 feet from the kitchen. -- Storing Tall Things We could have a 4" wide pullout for these, next to the wall oven column. In a utility room where the water heater is 15 ft from the kitchen, we keep tall things like Swiffers. -- Height Inside for Big or Odd Shapes The front of the deepest IKEA drawer is 12.75" high. I'll go see at IKEA if inside is enough height for tall pasta boxes and storage containers. I'm inclined to believe it'll suffice. A cute narrow olive oil bottle might need to be stored slanted or somewhere else. Our blender comes in two parts each weighing 2 lb; we'll lift it out manually. We mix by hand as we believe this lets us practice what the gym has prepared us for. -- Bulk Buying We buy in bulk in the Fall, and I expect our deep drawers will hold this stuff. We currently have about 12 cu.ft. storage for All our food outside the fridge. After reno, our kitchen will have double its current storage volume so I'm not worried. -- Plumbing Hiding the plumbing is a fascinating topic once you get into it. You get to save space, and you get one more advantage. You hear less noise water makes when it goes through the P trap. Under the sink I'll weld a tight elbow to turn the sink waste on a horizontal line going to the back wall. Using copper it takes very little space under the sink. Once the waste line reaches the back it turns down to go to the P trap. Tight elbows are used as WC closet bends and in those combo dishwashers-with-sinks in their top. I'll use the same configuration to free up space for my drawers. It is code and legal; it is almost never done and almost never even thought of. I did this under a bathroom sink to hide the plumbing. The 3" countertop floats in space wall to wall no support under it. No plumbing visible either. Out of sight, out of mind. Gurgling noises are reduced or 99% eliminated. The P trap is behind two tight turns in the sink drain pipe. So you don't hear any "plup plup plip plip" noises which can be an irritant. The dishwasher connection Wye will be on the back wall near the P trap. The dishwasher's draining noises are then also reduced or virtually eliminated. To get access (occasionally) I'll slide the drawers out and remove them. So, Getting at the pipes may not be a concern, unless I haven't considered something.... -- Garbage disposal Never had one. Have never heard one in operation at anyone's house. It doesn't bother me much that I may never know what a disposer can do. Don't know anyone who has one. It's just not on my radar. gwent, "lots of GW'ers here love the all drawers" - i haven't seen that, so far. owls4me, thank you for calling me a king of planning. Thank you midwestmom, lowspark, jejvtr, gwent, circuspeanut, owls4me, poorowner, fwhartford, terriks, danielle00 and all GW. -- David

Lisa - two KD people that I have spoken to said that the voided corner does not provide wider drawers on either side. What am I missing? Nothing as far as I can tell because what they are telling you makes no sense to me at all. If you don't give up 12" of linear space to a Susan, you gain 9" of drawer width (3" goes to spacer at corner). I considered adding a BCC to my sink corner (didn't have space on sink side to do corner Susan) but opted not to because a) it wasn't the right kind of storage for that corner and b) a drawer base was cheaper storage than a BCC. Here's my corner. Drawers & trash pull-outs open. If I had done a BCC, I would have lost the bank of drawers on the right. If I'd had room for a corner Susan, I would have lost 27" of much needed drawer storage. The few items that I would have been able to store in a BCC (ditto for a corner Susan) ended up in a a single drawer in a much roomier cab next to my wall oven. I use the items in the drawers in my prep zone much more regularly than the items I use in the drawer by my oven. A few extra steps now and then is a much better option than extra steps several times a day, IMO. Look at the whole picture when it comes to storage. What you decide for one area affects storage in another. It's a domino effect, IME.

I think the more recent comments are regarding...commenting, but in case it's helpful I will offer this: I have a cooktop over an oven. They are the same brand and manufacturer, and manufacturer-provided information states (and instructions indicate how) they can be placed one on top of the other. At least in my research, not all cooktops, could be placed over any oven. I did this nearly 20 years ago as a dual fuel 36" was (much) more expensive than installing two separate pieces. The top of my counter is at 36". And yes, the cabinet for the oven, that toekick area is about 2" shorter than the rest of my cabinets in order to accommodate the oven, and the distance required (by the manufacturer) from the bottom of the (gas) cooktop to the top of the installed (electric) oven. Our cabinet installer had to generate a custom piece of wood to accommodate this. So if your eye is running along the toekick, there is a clear and definite "hiccup" where the oven sits. Yes, the oven is low, and I am very short, so I have never been bothered by the lack of height in the oven placement. The biggest downside so far is 15 years in, when I needed to replace the cooktop. Challenge #1 and 2 was to find another compatible cooktop and oven combination that I could afford and liked, and more importantly, the cooktop had to fit in the existing hole in the quartz countertop. The new cooktop *just* squeezed in. Finding someone who would come out and enlarge the hole: 1) would have been probably nearly impossible given how busy everyone is these days; 2) they would have not been able to guarantee that they would have not broken the counter; and 3) it would have been a total mess to grind down two sides of a quartz counter in an existing kitchen. So I hope that story helps...someone. If I had it to do over again, I'd get a range, because it would have been easier to replace and there would have been many more choices. Good luck to anyone pondering this situation.