In the spring of 2012, I attempted to graft a Pear scion onto my apple tree using Winter Banana Apple as an inter stem. (All of he grafting i do is "Whip and Tongue" grafts wrapped in grafting tape. I then coat the wrapped union with grafting wax) The parent branch was a Winesap Apple branch with a grafted Winter Banana Apple scion from a few years before. (I actually have two of these paired branches.) I then attempted to graft two "Kieffer" Pear scions onto my two Winter Banana Apple inter stems. The "Kieffer" Pear scions started to grow, but died a few weeks later. This spring (2014) I attempted to graft this Apple / Pear union again using the same Winter Banana Apple inter stems. I had just enough branch on my Winter Banana branches to try this experiment one more time. This time around, I used "Sunrise Pear" scionwood. The grafting was a screaming success! (I had enough "Sunrise Pear" scionwood to graft two branches onto my apple tree, and two more onto an ornamental pear. All four pear grafts were a success!) I have no idea why this experiment failed in 2012 and was a success in 2014. I do not know if it had to do with the pear variety used, or if it had to do with environmental circumstances. I will re-post in 2015 with an update. There are a few different treads on this subject so I will be re-posting on those threats also. Below are pictures taken on 07/27/2014.

Vic Pretty crowed when you get 22 adults & Kids In a trailer :( some of the kids were out side on the hill but it was fun . Well I Received MY Great Box from BUNNY Today :) & Here's What I got . M--MOISTURIZING HAND SOAP "SURE USE THOSE" I--INERESTING !'SPARKY" SUNFLOWER SEED C-- COPPER BIRD HANGERS "SOOOO CUTE " H--"HEAVENLY GODDEST" SUNFLOWER SEEDS I--INSTANT NECTAR CONCENTRATE FOR HUMMERS G-- GREAT!! "VANILLA ICE" SUNFLOWER SEEDS A--ASSORTMENT OF GREAT SEEDS LISTED BELOW N--NICE !! "RED SUN" SUNFLOWER SEEDS H-- HAND TRAWEL LOOOONG ONE :) LOVE IT ,NEED IT, U-- UNNIQUE "CHERRY ROSE " SUNFLOWER SEEDS S-- SEASON LONG PETER'S PLANT FOOD PELLETS HEAVY S--SQUARE JIFFY POTS :) SURE WILL NEED THESE Y-- YUMMY M&M'S MELT IN YOUR MOUTH NOT IN YOUR HANDS :) MELISA THANK YOU FOR THE THOUGHT IN PUTTING MY BOX TOGEATHER. I Love sunflowers But I know I will also be planting a few of these others you shared with me . mex hat, cup plant, glonoso daisy,cosmo ladybird lemon,dianthus spooky, birds eye,scabiosa black knight, partridge pea, catchfly, schizanthus butterfly orchid, pink gas plant, blood flower, maltese cross, chrysthemum, clitoria dbl blue pea vine,dahlia black beauty. I sure wish I had a Greenhouse maybe i better order a small one :) WELL I'M GOING TO GO SEE IF i CAN FIND A FEW QUIZZES :) SUSIE BOXES RECEIVED 1. MICHIGANHUSSY ******RECEIVED 2 3.CAROLINA ANGEL 4.NCGARDENGIRL******** RECEIVED 5.NEW JERSEY GAL****** RECEIVED 6.BRITTNEYGRAN 7.ISHAREFLOWERS 8.HAZELNUTBUNNY ******RECEIVED 9.IOWAMARGARET********RECEIVED 10FLORIDIAN MADAM*****RECEIVED RAGGEDYANN ******RECEIVED 13 MONTANA DAME**** RECEIVED 14 GROLIKECRAZY PP 2009 SWAPS JAN: SUSIE FEB: MAR: APRIL: THERESA MAY: ANNIE JUNE: JULY: AUG: SEPT: GALIUM OCT: SASSYBUTTERFLY NOV: DEC:

Thanks John. The wood on the deck is all Ipe and the pics were taken prior to staining. Last year I used Woodzotic to finish, this year I let it go. Since Woodzotic is no longer available, next year I'll probably use WoodTux or Armstrong Clark after a good cleaning. The edging is a cut piece of Ipe routered on the end and screwed in and plugged. It really gives the deck a more finished look hiding all the end cuts. My contractor used Tiger Claw hidden fasteners, I believe the TCG type. These are made for hardwoods and are stainless steel with an anodized black finish. I know the concensus on this board is to stay away from hidden fasteners but my contractor insisted he has had great success with the TCG's.I do know he didn't purchase pre-grooved Ipe, but rather made biscuit cuts in the boards where the fasteners attach. The deck is now two years old and I haven't had any problems. It is holding up great so far and I love it. Scott

Wow, thanks for sharing your experience, guys. It sounds like you've both had good experiences doing things in pretty different ways. Thanks for the detailed suggestions, pressurepros. I've gone to your site and read up on the RAD system. It sounds impressive, and I'm thinkin about using it. The cedar is already bought and paid for, so I may be stuck with the non-kiln-dried variety from the big-box store. I've made some calls, though, and may be able to trade for KD stuff if it will make a difference. It sounds like gorillabuilder doesn't think it will. What's the advantage you see in it? Thanks for the pointer to the forestry guide, gorrillabuilder. Actually, I love hearing about the science behind what I'm doing. Today I read most of chapter 15 on finishes. You pros probably know most of this stuff already, but it was educational for me. If any other novices are reading this with similar questions, you can find the guide online at http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/fplgtr113.htm Some of the stuff I took away from the guide was, You want a finish that is going to repel water, but also allow vapor to pass in and out because, (a) water vapor is going to get in, it's just a question of how quickly, and (b) when water does get in (either as vapor or liquid), you want it to leave; you don't want your coating to hold it in the wood. A finish that puts a thick film on your deck (eg. paint) will keep out vapor the best. If you cover all surfaces. And only until it cracks. Then, it's going to cause the most water to be retained in the wood. These sort of supported what I think pressurepros has been saying here for awhile - you don't want to finish the wood in a way that's going to trap water inside. However, the guide also said "The paint film inhibits drying, as shown. This retardation of drying can have a drastic effect on the durability of painted wood fully exposed to the weather. The moisture content of the wood can approach the range where decay fungi can become active. This type of wood paint failure usually occurs on painted fences and porch railings that are fully exposed to the weather (Fig. 1510). Applying a water-repellent preservative or priming the end grain of wood used in these applications inhibits the absorption of water at the end grain and thus works in concert with the coating to keep the wood dry. For a coating to be effective in minimizing moisture content changes in the wood, it must be applied to all surfaces, particularly the end grain. The end grain of wood absorbs moisture much faster than does the face grain, and finishes generally fail in the end grain first (Fig. 1511). Coatings with good moisture-excluding effectiveness that are applied to only one side of the wood will cause unequal sorption of moisture, increasing the likelihood that the wood will cup (warp). When finishing siding, it is important to allow the back side of the wood to dry, particularly if it is finished with paint with high moisture-excluding effectiveness. Applying a water-repellent preservative or primer to the end grain and back of siding (see section on back-priming) prior to installing the siding improves resistance to water yet allows the siding to dry. Cupping can be minimized by using vertical-grain lumber and by minimizing the aspect ratio." What I take away from this chapter is that applying a vapor barrier (eg. paint) to all 6 sides will do exactly what pressurepro is warning against. However, since a water-repellent preservative is not a vapor barrier, applying it to all 6 sides shouldn't have that affect, but should in fact be beneficial. At worst, it sounds like a waste of preservative. If we're all still around in a few years, I'll report back and let everyone know how it worked out. Gorillabuilder, how do you apply the sealer to your deck? Did you brush and flip, or dip the boards? I'm taking to heart the suggestions you guys made to weather the wood a little onsite before installing it. I'm a little nervous, though, because I've had one unfinished board sitting at the site for a few weeks (I had used it as a sample to get a feel for spacing), and it is now *really* warped. If I lay the new boards flat across the joists, though, and don't leave them out in the elements for weeks, maybe they'll hold up better. No one seemed keen on the deck clips, so it looks like I'm stuck with deck screws through the surface. That may have saved me a couple hundred bucks, but it'll expose my imperfectly-aligned and spaced joists. So, my revised plan would be, 1. Bring the wood to the site, lay it across the joists 2. clean it right away w/the RAD system or Cabots cleaner/brightener (no sanding!) 3. Let it weather for 3 days 4. Stain all 6 sides with a "paraffinic oil based, trans oxide pigmented, semi transparent penetrating sealer" 5. Let the stained wood dry for 2 days (again, across the joists) 6. Install it (the old fashioned way, not with clips) Thanks for sharing your time and experience, guys. David