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One more thing. If i move the DW to the right, then I would have all my stainless on the right side. Another option, regardless of where the DW is, is a cabinet panel. I need to decide that tonight too! Pros, it would make the run of cabs look longer, cons, I'm not sure. Here's a link the color of the cabs. The linen will be the perimeter and the charcoal the island. The floor will is red birch. Counter is windemere cambria.

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Hi there-

I'm no layout guru, but just going through my own design process (aka hell =), I saw a few things that jumped out at me.

Your trash is across the room from the sink/stove area. It really needs to be close to your prep space.

Your pots and pans drawer is across from your stove. I think it would be more convenient to have it next to the stove.

I wouldn't swap the DW and the sink....I have my DW between my sink and stove currently and it's such a hassle sometimes.

I don't see where your fridge is going in the plan? Am I missing something?

Hope this helps....
Heather

Are these cabinets fabricated exactly to size? I notice they are not on a 3" or even 1" increment.

Yes, the cabinets are custom sizes so there are some odd sizes there.

Spinory, yes some of the cabinets and locations are odd but I'm really limited by the size of the kitchen. The Refrigerator is in the 36" opening area and that wall is at it's max length. I would love my pots and pans there but no room for a good size cabinet. I actually think that I will do my prep at the island if how I lived in my last home holds true with this one.

Everyone has their own inner logic and needs when it comes to where things go in a kitchen.

I don't care for the off center sink on one side and the off center island on the other. I agree with you that things seem a bit jammed together on the right.

Two susans will hold a ton of stuff so I think that's a great idea. But with custom there are other options including pull outs and corner cabinets and swing outs that will resolve the basic off-center sink and the DW forced to the left (though fine if everyone is left handed).

35" is tight for that opening between the end of that one run and the island. The recycle bins also seem to have way too much real estate. If you're doing custom there's a double- pull out with garbage in front and recycle in back that could gain you space.

If you love it go with it. I'd give it another week and let folks here help. I feel a little extra time will be well worth it.

Are you really thinking you'll get veggies from the fridge, walk 6,5' to the sink to wash them and then walk 6.5' back to the island to chop them? Then a few more feet to the range to cook them? Better wear your running shoes! ;)

Ok some thoughts and hopefully won't confuse anyone (or myself)
-put the sink where the DW is
-move the DW around the corner (this can be done) where your pots and pans currently are
-now you have a bigger prep area between sink and stove
-move stove down that 7.5" for trays so that now you have a 27" drawer (7.5" plus 19.5") for pots and pans drawer.
-where the sink is now you can join trays/cutting boards into probably 12"-15" (rather than a combined 17.5")tray storage and put whatever is in the 19.5" - (4DB - I don't know what that is) in the remaining space.

-Better yet - if you don't have to have the trays and cutting boards there put them where your trash currently is and move the trash by the sink in its old locations.
-that 19.5" bank of drawers ccould be 18" and you should be able to fit your trash cabinet, (I think)

-The fridge I'm still working on. Maybe switch the microwave tower and make that 30"bank of drawers 18" and add drawers to where the micro wave will be ? Don;t know yet.
See if any of the first suggestions work out and then we'll see.

Oh wait - that's an island - fridge can't go there! (DUH!)

I would not rush your decision until you have thought it through.

It is not clear but I assume that the fridge is recessed back into the 35" opening. The layout meets the kitchen work triangle guidelines. It does appear that you are allocating a lot of space to the recycle bins.

Your sink is tied to the window wall and you don't have enough space to center it as you know with the size constraints. In my opinion, I would swap the sink with the DW. I would do that because I am right handed and would be easier to load. But more importantly, It gives you a nice prep area between the sink and the stove. I think you would be happier with that layout.

I know how popular stainless is, but in this size kitchen, you may get a better and larger look if you go with a wood panel for the DW. Either way, I think it will look great.

The trash would be nice if it were closer to the sink but it is hard to make everything work perfectly in a given design.

The wine cubbie is taking up a large chunk of space. Could that be down sized or moved so that you can get your trash over closer to the sink or next to the stove?

Those are my thoughts. Hope that helps.

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Gemini- I really like your cabinet colors and countertop. Stainless steel appliances will look wonderful, with those choices :)

A couple of questions...is that a peninsula or an island? What's on the other side of your 'west' wall? One idea would be to take off those few cabinets on the 'west' side (across from the range) and turn your island, so that it runs parallel to the fridge/range wall.

If that's possible, you could have plenty of room to center your sink and move your dishwasher to the left, a bit, and have your pull out trash, on the right. If you lose a little storage, you could make the island a little longer, include some extra storage and still have room for two or three stools. You could even have a prep sink (if you want a second sink) on the island, which would solve some of your traffic issues.

It's a common plan and works pretty well, but it's just one idea. Whatever you do, make sure you take the time to get exactly what you want :)

I will let all the experts (b/c I am definitely not one) give their feedback on the appliances and work flow.
One thing I would highly suggest is not only moving your trash close to your sink (like alot of others have mentioned) but also your recycle bins.....typically if you are going to recycle tins cans, glass jars, plastic cups, etc you would rinse them out before putting them into the recycle bin....and you would not want the water drops dripping from the item to the bin. Mine are right next to my sink, along with my garbage bin, and even with this I am often wiping up the few water drips that drop on my HW floors after washing out the containers.
The second thing I would second is that you somehow move the pots and pans to be closer to the stove, even if you have to move the stove. What a hassle it will be to walk across the kitchen with a big pot or pan (or a few at a time or multiple trips).
I know the layout is such a difficult process b/c you want to make sure you get it right...not only for the function, but also how you (family) are used to things. Don't rush it if you don't have too, it's worth taking a few extra days to make sure it's the right one for you.

I know how disheartening it is to think you have something close to a layout and have us point out all the things potentially "wrong" with it. do not be forced to make decisions you're not ready to make. Your money... your timeline. That said, I'm with most on how this layout does't give you optimal flow. i also feel like you've got food stored all over the place. I, for one, would find that confusing. I would flip the DW and sink for one thing. Then the corner susan where you show food, I'd consider keeping my pots and pans. I would prefer all food storage in one place... possibly in the island/peninsula at the bottom of the plan. If you have recycle bins in the corner susan, then I'd consider putting my trash under the sink. It should fit. I haven't thought through the small tray cabinets yet; but if you eliminate the ten inch one; you could combine it with the other 7.5 one and have another option for a trash cabinet. Or... consider a blind corner for one of the corners and that opens up other trash options.

Thank you everyone. I worked on it, measured it out, slept on it and have incorporated some of the changes. Unfortunately, moving the DW around the corner won't work as the door open would be directly behind me standing at the sink.

I do like the larger 3 drawer by the stove - pots and pans storage and spices and utensils and gives me more space between stove and refrigerator. Also, swapped the sink and DW so now a nice area for prep next to the stove. Lastly, I moved the trash (single now) next to recyclables and can fit another 15" which I'm not sure what i'll put there. Recyclables are taking up a lot of room but that's how we live - constantly walking to the garage to recycle and filling less than 1 bag of trash a week. We compost too so trash doesn't get stinky. And I think I'm going with the cab panel on DW as the stove and fridge are enough stainless in the small space I think.

Let me know what you think of the changes. Thanks everyone!

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I like it much better. I think the extra prep space between the sink and stove and will be very beneficial.

Smart changes.

Much better.

What I wonder about in this new layout is why the coffee cups and glasses are to the left of the range. That puts a lot of activity in one area: cleanup (DW), drinking (cups and glasses), and cooking (range). What that means is that if someone wants to make coffee while you are cooking breakfast or brunch, they have to step around you and squeeze beside you to get the cups. If someone wants a glass of juice or wine while you're making dinner, again they have to step/squeeze around you. And then they have to go back around you over to the fridge to get their drink, which they will probably pour on the counter by the microwave.

It seems more natural to me to put the coffee maker over by the microwave, and keep at least some cups and glasses over there too--maybe half a dozen of each, at least, just so that people don't have to squeeze around you to make or serve coffee or to get a glass when what they want it for is a beverage that's located in the fridge or in the wine cubbies. Since people wanting juice are probably going to take it from the fridge and pour it on the counter by the microwave, it's simpler to just put the glasses there, rather than making them walk to another corner of the kitchen and get in the way of whoever is cooking. If you don't have uppers over that microwave area, plenty of people on these boards keep cups and glasses in drawers.

The other advantage this little change would have, apart from preventing kitchen traffic jams, is that it would free up some space in the upper cabinet right beside the stove--that 13" currently labeled as coffee cups--for cooking items that won't fit in a spice drawer, such as oil, vinegar, tall pepper grinders (if you have one), cheese graters and so on. What I mean is, if you kept at least some cups and glasses over by the microwave, then the 13" cabinet that's labeled "glasses" could hold all the other cups and glasses, leaving the 13" upper by the stove free for items that relate to cooking.

Gemini: Plan looks way more useable. Just fyi and I know that people don't like it - I was the one who suggested putting the DW around the corner - It's what I had in my old kitchen and in my new one. I don't find the door gets in my way at all and for putting dishes in, it's just a simple turn and place. But I do understand why people are reluctant to try it.
About ideagirl2 suggestions: once the renovation is finished you will probably reorganize your kitchen 2 or 3 times before you get it the way you want. Keep us posted on the progress.

I'll be honest, the DW placement would now be a royal pain for me and my family (and would be a reason to remodel!) In our home, the DW is often loaded/unloaded/opened for whatever reason while prepping is going on. With the DW in this location, it means every time the DW needs to be opened you will have to step aside.

IF your family is very disciplined to always load & run the DW immediately after dinner (or other meals) and unload it immediately after it finishes running (or at least before any meal prep or cooking takes place), then it may work for you in this location.

In our home, with two working parents plus two busy & active children, it just doesn't happen. Invariably, there's cleanup or unloading of the DW going on at the same time as meal prep so the DW is open (or opened/closed/opened/closed/etc.) quite a bit during prep & cooking.

If I had to choose b/w the DW in the primary Prep Zone and around the corner, I'd pick around the corner. If you put it at the end of the run, it would not be in the way as much as you think while at the sink and it would be easy to load/unload as well as unload directly into the dish & glasses cabinet above.

You also now have all three primary work zones (Prep, Cooking, Cleanup) crammed into one corner of your kitchen.

One other concern...if the DW is open while someone is cooking, the cook must be very careful not to back into the open DW door. (The DW door extends approx 27" out from the cabinet when open.) This is a concern primarily b/c when cooking you're working with hot pots/pans. If you back into an open DW door while carrying a hot pot, even a slight loss of balance on your part could result in spilled/sloshed contents.

I would try:

DW + 9" + 33" corner susan (not recycle)

...round the corner

36" susan (36" on this side) + 9" + 33" sink base + 24" cabinet + 36" recycle susan

...round the corner

36" susan + 1/2" space + 30" range + 1/2" space + 25" cabinet (or whatever will fit) + 3/4" panel + 36" refrigerator + 3/4" panel

This gives you 36" of prep space next to the sink as well as another 12" to the left of the range. You also have plenty of space for working & landing to the right of the range.

I would use 2 of the recycle bins for recycling and the third for trash, especially as you don't have much trash.

One other thing...

Trash & recycling work much better inside the Prep Zone and next to the Cooking Zone than across the kitchen. I made the mistake of putting my trash & recycle bins next to my cleanup sink (in the Cleanup Zone) and across a 6' aisle from my Prep & Cooking Zones and it's the biggest regret I have in my kitchen. I find that I generate far more trash, recyclables, & composting, while prepping and cooking than I do while cleaning up and for far longer periods of time.

Take what you will of the above comments, just think about how you and your family works & functions b/f finalizing your design.

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Thank you all. You've taken lots of time and thought to help me out and I truly appreciate it. I think one thing the various layout suggestions prove is that there's no one right solution!

Ideagirl2: one of the main things I wanted to resolve is to be able to unload my dishes right into cabinets. I did think about the fact that having dishes by the stove, then it would be a pain to have someone grab the plates while I was cooking. And Buehl, selfishly, there's only 2 of us (except holidays) so the next owners will have to deal with that. :)

I'm actually very happy with the layout you all helped me with. I made one more tweak - put a single trash pull out under sink and turned that 15" trash and other 15" back into a 3 drawer base.

We start demo next week so I'll be back to post our progress. Flooring goes in 4/6, and believe it or not, the cabinets go in about 4/13.