I also have both in 5 gallon pots and agree that Marie is tidier and denser in a pot, but if I had to chose one, it would without a doubt be Sov. de St. Anne's. All the Souvenir sports thrive in the heat and the fragrance on this one is totally clove and luscious. I love Luanne's account of meeting this one at Vintage across a growing area and it drawing her in.

Hi Everyone, Picea pungens 'Gloria' originated as a witches' broom on Picea pungens 'Koster' and I believe that Don Hatch found it. The Picea orientalis 'Tom Thumb Gold' was arbitrarily renamed to 'Tom Thumb' by some ACS people when they offered it as the Plant of the Year. When I complained the response was in effect- so shoot me. Instead, I just ignore what they did. John Verkade had Aurea in the original name so the gold has to stay in it. The Pinus parviflora from Dr. landis sure looks a lot like 'Goldylocks'. I suspect it is the same plant and it came into North America a couple of different ways under different names. Picea pungens 'St. Mary's Broom' has a tendency to produce a number of dead terminal buds each year which causes lateral buds to dominate on the affected shoots, tightening up the plant a bit. 'Gloria' doesn't seem to have that problem. I didn't see that problem on the 'St. Mary's Broom' at Bluespruce's. That could cause the different appearance in his garden. I have seen hundreds of plants of 'St. Mary's Broom' up to 25 years old and never a sign of an upright shoot. Perhaps one grafted onto pungens was being overtaken by the understock? When witches' broom or HB or hexenbesen is part of the name then it should be kept. However, I am very happy it is seldom done since so many dwarf and miniature selections have that origin. In fact, you are probably correct 90% of the time guessing wb origin on dawrf plants since that is how most originate. Most of the ones that arise as seedlings are probably wb seedlings as well. Bob

Regarding Picea glauca DaisyÂs White - this plant was entered into a major plant exhibition in Holland by Mr J Jeurissen-Wijnen, the plant originator. He was advised to shorten the name to DaisyÂs White by the growers at that exhibition because of its high commercial potential. He agreed to the change. I donÂt have a sworn affidavit IÂm afraid, so you will have to take my word that DaisyÂs White is now the accepted name in Europe, so should also be adopted by the US. As for the issue with the word Âbroom being part of a plant name, technically it might not be correct (although I canÂt find anything in the Cultivated Code that actually excludes the word Âbroom) but itÂs my opinion that the word Âbroom can form part of the plant name and not just be seen as a descriptive word. I have, in fact, named three of my brooms to include the word Âbroom in the plant name and as far as IÂm concerned no one person has the right to delete that part of the name. As for Picea pungens St MaryÂs Broom, unless there is a general agreement by, for example the majority of major growers, collectors/experts, ACS to change it - then the name should stay as it is. There is no point in Coenosium Gardens listing it as St Mary and Iseli, for instance, still listing it as St MaryÂs Broom. Confusion once again, as this thread has already demonstrated. Most people know nothing of the Cultivated Code and just see two different plant names and wonder if itÂs the same plant. Also, of course, there are hundreds of conifer names with technically incorrect names according to the Code  how, for example do all the Czech names fit into the code, as their language is based on descriptive names. Besides, the Cultivated Code is a work in progress and not something that is set in stone, and is in fact constantly being amended. So, in my opinion, plant names should be left well alone until enough research has been done, and general agreement has been reached to warrant a change.

Does anyone have Glen St Mary, or anyplace where I might find this cultivar? Looks like it was introduced by Ottis Houston, and his website is no longer working. Any ideas?? Thanks!