Second dishwasher location -- around corner in peninsula?

14 years ago

Main question: is it possible, or am I asking for trouble by positioning a DW drawer in a peninsula, around the corner from the main sink and DW? Most of the time we will be eating at the peninsula: silverware, plates, cups, etc, will be located in the wall cabs and the drawer stacks between the 2 washers.

Story behind question: Months ago I posted my original plans (and reposted after suggestions). Figured out that unless I moved a wall and made a long, narrow LR even narrower, an island just wasn't going to happen. As suggested, I flipped where peninsula was originally planned, and went for narrow bank of pantry and hutch to allow for an acceptable walkway. We've talked and have decided not to have a prep sink is in kitchen. But instead, I am opening the current pass-thru window -- which will allow me to interact more with the kids as they are on the computer (like they even note my precense) as I do prep work. We are getting the Koher Stages 45: the shallow end will be the prep side, the basin will be the clean-up side. I am considering 2 faucets as well.

My husband continues to ask to try and squeeze in another DW. Without ripping up current floor and drilling thru slab. :] So, by looking at plans from Rhome or Buehl, I thought that I could put a DW drawer (I don't think we need another full DW) in peninsula, around corner from sink and main DW. This is the proposed layout.

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My husband's concern is that a dishwasher plumbed around a corner is asking for trouble in regards to the risk of leaking water and waste -- that it needs to be adjacent to the sink. I don't think that we have room on the R side of the sink without losing prep area, trash pull-out, etc.

This is an elevation of the sink wall

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and the peninsula

what the heck. Here is the range wall and then, the frig/pantry wall.

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I didn't mean for this to be soooo long. Just in case you've forgotten my question -- is it asking for trouble to put a DW around a corner, away from the sink. And, of course, any other thing that catches your mind.

and Holligator, if you're listening, we need to get together!

Good night!

Rita

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remodelfla

14 years ago

I've never had 2 DW's but have learned from this forum (often mentioned by the beautiful and talented rhome) that in separate locations; it becomes an issue. What went where, too much turning back and forth. You can put a trash pullout in a 36" sink base. What I plan on doing is getting a sink with an offset drain. That will allow a pullout on the other side. This would put a crimp in your planned sink; but just another option to consider.

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lascatx
14 years ago
If it were mine, I'd shrink the sink down to a 33, get a big single bowl and then use the extra 6" to put the other DW on the right -- or just get an 18" DW there and put your trash in the peninsula. Your prep space is on the counter more than in the cabinets, and if you think about clean up, you'd bring dishes in, scrape them into the sink and/or throw trash away and then to the DW. Using that drawer would mean a lot of back and forth in what seems to be the messiest operation in the kitchen. Yeah, "clean-up" can be dirtier work than the cooking. ;-) And pulling out the trash where it is shown would make that corner tight for prep work.
rjr220
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14 years ago
Thanks -- that's why I love this forum, people give you ideas that hadn't crossed you mind. Will need to consider the 18". I wouldn't need to change the sink -- I think it would fit exactly where the garbage is now. But I'm not quite sure about moving garbage to peninsula. Now, if I could plumb the faucet right, maybe I could use one of the sink base doors as a trash pull-out???

Last night at 2 a.m. I remembered that in our last house the DW was around the corner from the sink as well. Reminded DH of that this a.m. . . .
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You'd have a problem with the DW draining. The longest drain hose I'm aware of is 10". Sure, you could jury rig a longer one, but it still has to drain into your sink, and that's a LONG way away to ask a DW pump to pump water. I don't know of any manufacturer that would warranty a DW in such a location. Sure, folks put DW's in peninsula's "around the corner" from the sink all the time. That's within the 10' limit normally.

If the window is merely a passthrough, can you not just use a larger header to get a larger passthrough, (Close up the right side some if needed) or the same size opening centered on your space? That shouldn't be difficult to do, and then you can have your sink centered with 2 24" DW's just fine.
rjr220
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks for the responses. It's making me look at under the sink trash pull-outs . . . and there is another timely thread running on this subject.

LWO -- regarding the 10 ft drain issue -- what am I calculating wrong, because when I add up the feet, I'm getting about a 7 - 8 ft distance b/t the dishdrawer and sink. Am I looking at this wrong?
jejvtr
14 years ago
rj
The few people i know that put 2 DW in their kitchen renos admit they never use the 2nd
take it for what it is worth -

If you fill 2 dw on reg basis it may be worth the effort/expense/design if not, I would consider doing w/o
sweeby
14 years ago
I have two dishwashers -- one on either side of my sink -- and we do use them both. (Our house is Hubby's family's designated party house, so we entertain for 30 every month or two.) But for 'regular' family of four meals, generally one DW is totally fine, and the 2nd is used as an off-the-counter spot for hand-washed items to dry.

It would be a nightmare for me if the DWs were split, so I'd never do that. But the around-the-corner bit -- if you can get the drain line to work -- would be OK from a work standpoint.

Why do YOU want a second dishwasher? And do you really need it? If it weren't for all the big parties, I wouldn't need it --

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