I just put in a 27" Miele wall oven plus a 24" convection MW (they're side by side because I couldn't afford to lose counter space). It's great. A second oven and microwave in one. I haven't really tested the speed cook options yet, but so far it's functioning beautifully doing double duty. Don't miss the turntable.

I went this route, with a Thermador wall oven and a Wolf convection microwave above it. The combination has been perfect for all occasions, from small meals to holiday feasts. Before the remodel, I had double ovens plus a conventional microwave. The replacement combo provides greater functionality and takes less space.

We've got an Advantium and while it works great as a warming drawer and a microwave, and the speed cook stuff seems OK, I wouldn't be happy with it as a second standard oven. (I have oodles of other ovens, so this isn't an issue for me.)

We also have a Gaggeanu combi steam oven, and while I'm not 100% sold on it's usefulness for the price, it is a very reliable, if a tad small, oven, with or without steam. (A cavaet: You have to use small pans on an already small rack or the ones that come with the oven that fit into the slots.)

-Susan W.

I ended up making the same decision you are considering. I finally chose the Whirlpool 30" wide Oven/Speed cook microwave combination unit. While the microwave does have a turntable, it is easily removeable (and the instructions say to do so for certain modes of cooking.)

I don't know whether a 13x9 pan will fit in the microwave half, I'll try to remember to check tonight. However I have used the broiling mode (for salmon) and the convection bake mode (for au gratin cauliflower) and the speed cook mode (for chicken breasts) of the speed cook microwave and have been happy with the results.

Although several people posted caveats about the combination units, saying that if one half broke down you'd have to replace the entire unit, instead of just the broken half. But I really like the much more integrated and consistant look of the unit.

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I need 2 actual ovens...having my MW be my second oven, even if it is a speedcook, doesn't solve my problem. I need 2 ovens plus a MW going at the same time! The 2nd one can be smaller (for potatoes, rolls, etc.). But I definitely need 2! Meanwhile, my MW is busily cooking veggies!

The same goes for using a second oven or MW as a "warming drawer"...if you do that you've eliminated that oven as a useful oven while it's being used as WD!

OK...I don't have this setup yet...but I can't wait! Each night I tell DH....when we have our new kitchen, I'll be able to... (fill in the blank for that evening!)

You might want to look at the GE Trivection as either a ge profile or monogram. Both ovens function as convection ovens and the top oven also works as a "speed oven". I don't think that you can use the microwave independently; however. I believe that they have been well-rated.

Followup:

I checked this morning and in Speed cook microwave in the Whirlpool 30" wide Oven/Speed cook microwave combination unit a 13x9 pan fits and will even rotate completely on the carousel.

I am pretty sure I will be going with this setup as well, but I haven't decided on the brand. Electrolux makes a speed cook oven, and there is a thread on it over in the appliance forum (see below). Unfortunately, not many people seem to have them yet. I like how the speed cook oven has a pull down door. Our oven stack is in a position where the traditional "MW door hinge on the left" doesn't work so well.

Here is a link that might be useful: Electrolux Speed OvenThread

I am also looking at the Miele speed oven. Very glad that Pammo is happy with it. Pammo, do you have a picture of your setup?

I have some questions about it which may help the OP as well in their decision.

Main question: I found this warning in the manual under "Solo functions:Convection Bake, Autoroast, Broil, Convection Broil". "Do not allow children to touch .. the oven when it is in operation. The oven gets hot at the oven door glass, the vapor vent, the handle and the operating controls. Danger of burns." I have kids and would like to know how hot it really gets. I checked the manuals for the regular Miele ovens and they don't have this warning.

Another question I have is about the cookware - is it ok to use the non-shiny metal cookware (like the anodized alluminum kind) or does it have to be glass even when you don't microwave? How about non-stick items?

annab

oops, it is 2am over here in NJ, I didn't notice I was bumping up a six-month-old thread. So I am sure the OP has made his/her decision by now. But Pammo, would like to hear from you if you are around.

annab6

Annab6,

About a month ago, we installed a Miele Speed Oven (micro/convection/broiler) above a Miele Steam Oven. We have been very happy with both of these 24 inch (60 cm) wide units.

The Miele Speed Oven does not have a turntable inside, resulting in a pretty large capacity for a microwave. With its reflective metal interior, we have not noticed any problems with hot and cold spots in the food or with cleaning (as some users have reported). One important thing about the Miele Speed Oven is that it requires 220 volt 15 amp wiring, while most other units are 110 volts. The big advantage of the Miele's 220 volts is that both the microwave and convection oven or broiler elements can be on simultaneously. Other micro/convection units typically cycle between these two elements, resulting in longer cooking times and less effective cooking results.

Metal pans can be used in the Speed Oven with no problems, just NOT with the microwave function enabled at the same time. The Speed Oven does have a special internal metal rack that can be located at various heights inside the oven.

The Miele Steam Oven is more of a niche product, but it does a wonderful job on reheating most items and on cooking fish, pasta, and vegetables. Its internal capacity is quite small, though, but fine for its intended purposes.

Despite its expense, I would rate the Speed Oven as the best combination microwave/convection/broiler we have ever owned, by quite a margin, too. Previous units owned over the years have been an English Creda combo unit and several built-in Sharp, Panasonic and Jennair combo units.

The front glass of the Miele Speed Oven doesn't heat up nearly as much as a standard oven when using the combination (micro/convection) cooking functions. Both of our Miele units have extensive built in menu functions for cooking various types of foods and allow you to create your own favorite recipes, which is a nice plus.

Thank you very much for this information.

Do you mind a couple more questions? Have you tried the non-microwave modes of the speed oven - convection bake, convection roast etc? I am primarily interested in those, trying to determine if it will work for me as an every-day oven for my family of four. My big oven will be in the gas range, I would use it when cooking for more people.

We can get a 27" or a 24" Miele wall oven and a separate microwave but if the speed oven works well in those modes we could save the space and some money as well.

Annab6,

I think the interior size of the Miele Speed Oven might be a little small for a family of 4 for everyday cooking. It is perfect for the two of us, though. So look carefully at the interior size for your cooking style. We have another 30 all gas oven/cooktop, so we didn't have to roll the dice on that call.

We have only cooked a couple of items in the convection bake mode, but they have come out great and the cooking times were fast, too. The broil mode of the Speed Oven completely eliminates the need for a separate counter top toaster oven, too. It does a perfect job on nachos and open face cheese sandwiches and is very quick to warm up because of the small interior cavity and the 220 volt broiler element.

Again, the main issue is whether this 24 inch wide European appliance would be big enough to serve as your everyday oven, but you indicated that you will have another oven as well. The Miele has the cooking capability in spades, but the size may not work for your family on an everyday basis. If you have another US style oven for big roasts, hams, and turkeys, you definitely will not need a separate microwave, so you can can save money, cabinet, and counter space there.

Because of all the complaints we saw on the internet about how tough it was to clean the Miele's rough surface stainless interior, before our purchase we went to a cooking demo in Reno and then cleaned the very dirty demonstrator oven's interior ourselves. It was really no problem to get completely clean, even though the oven had obviously not been seriously cleaned in several weeks.

With our Miele Steam Oven mounted just below the Speed Oven, we have rarely used the microwave function in the Speed Oven for re-heating anything; the Steam Oven gets that job everytime due to its superior re-heat performance. So far, we have been really using the Speed Oven mostly as a convection baker and as a small and easy to clean broiler. The microwave function is great for heating up a single cup of hot water for tea, though.

On a couple of early microwave cooking experiments we did notice that the absence of a turntable in the Speed Oven is just not a problem, as its rough stainless surface does a great job of distributing the microwaves evenly. The absence of the space-robbing interior turntable of most other designs really improves the effective size of the Speed Oven's interior. Those Germans just might be onto something with their rough reflective surfaces...

Gypsy1969, again, thank you so much for the detailed report. I will have a large oven so I am not worried about the turkey. I will try to attend a cooking demo at Miele showroom at the end of the month because I do want to see it in use before buying. But I called them and was able to speak with the person that does the cooking demos and classes and she gave me a lot of information as well. The size seems to be ok, the round dish which I use to bake a cut-up whole chicken fits fine, which is a good indicator. My only remaining concern is the glass tray. It is breakable and it costs over $200 to replace and there is not much you can do without one.

If I still love it after the cooking demo, I will probably get it.