We should make note that the most complete, accurate and official database for roses is the Modern Roses 12 database maintained by the American Rose Society. It contains records on over 35,000 different varieties and is continually updated with new varieties and new data. However, it is not free. To gain access to this database you must buy in initially and then pay an annual fee to continue using it. I believe you also must pay an annual fee to get the advantage of all the data in HelpMeFind, although there is quite a bit available without a fee. For the casual observer, HelpMeFind is a great resource. However, for the rose researcher the Modern Roses 12 database is the most in depth and complete record. It all depends upon what information you want.

Hmmm...thanks for digging that up. So that's a confirmation from six years back that I've asked that DG people don't copy any of the work and it was ignored. Oh yeah, along the way I learned about copyrights, method, patent, etc. I've got a bunch of registrations right here on the wall behind me. WS has been a huge learning experience. Publishing onto a .org website has been the fastest way for me to freely share the information with the widest audience. This is from my the front page of my website--FRONT PAGE--so it's clearly there: The contents of this site are protected with registered copyrights. Permission for duplication of our Winter Sowing information, graphics and photos is granted for educational and/or non-profit purposes. Direct linking to this website is encouraged. Paraphrasing of any of this website's content, and/or paraphrasing of any GardenWeb FAQs authored by "Trudi_d" is discouraged unless credit to Trudi Davidoff, Trudi_d, and/or WinterSown.Org is given. Now, as to that work of mine that was copied and published on DG, a for-profit website, without my permission....I'd like it all removed. I didn't ask before. But I'm asking now that Dave remove all of my work from his website that was added without my permission from his website. (Of course if Dave has already started this I do understand his point of view.) I'm sure DG's adept members will be able to tell him where it all is. Start with the people who copied it and ask...did you ask Trudi first? And if so, do you have a copy granting permission? If not, you know what to do. To remind you of the policy in use at Dave's I ask that you please look at DG's acceptable use policy and see section 8. Here is a link that might be useful: DG TOS

Howdy.....When you say plant database, do you mean like Floridata or Hortiplex? I use both occasionally, but I'm usually more intrigued by the online germination tables! Thompson-Morgan's can be found on-line. Plus Tom Clothier's garden site has loads of info on getting things started. Missouri Botanical Garden's search engine comes up in posts frequently (www.mobot.org). There are also some huge daylily databases online if you're willing to wile away hours drooling over the pictures!..... Some of the nursery catalogs are great, too, for info. Plants Delights is often mentioned, especially for unusual varieties. Of course, I usually head first to the GW forums if I've got a question, and then scoot to the other sites if I can't find what I'm looking for here. Fine Gardening magazine has a forum set-up ("Over the Fence" at www.taunton.com), much smaller than GW, but I check in there, too, if I'm looking for hands-on advice. They have some regular, very knowledgeable posters who can often nail a question pretty quickly.

Maybe the Duch Conifers Society are intersted by your photos,Please contact the web master .Arie Lautenbach. Myself I have sending some photos used on the web site. Clément. Belgium.