I saw pretties I was tempted by and dont even know why I looked cuz I have enough milk jugs going to probably plant my whole yard and my neighbors hard and still give lots away. Im getting a little intimidated by all those milk jugs. They're sitting there laughing at me with evil grins and mocking me and saying "you'll never get us all done" hahahhahahah Maybe Ive had too much coffee? Or too much Stephen King? Or not enough sunshine? ha! (Just kidding, yiou dont need to send any valium or anything!)

Jerry, yes, I also tried to look at the scene this way but it isn't easy. If one visits the smaller independent nurseries, s/he can see that they also sell mostly KOs. I tried to talk to some of them suggesting at least trying to carry a few OGRs; they pretend to listen, then they order the newest HTs and Knockouts. It is silly because they cannot even compete with the box stores in selling these because they cannot sell their products that cheap. Or, another example. One lady who came to the garden club meetings occasionally (they just moved down here and bought about 20 acres) alleged that she wanted to do a rose garden around their house but, she said, she loved only 'old fashioned roses' and asked help. I was ready to pull out Jean's list and tell her which roses on that list work in our coastal inferno (not everything is disease free here in the coast that is clean for Jean) and which nurseries she could get her roses from. She then emailed me last winter that her project would be urgent because her daughter wanted to have her wedding in the mother's 'rose garden in July. So I was about to visit her and make recommendations and even planned to call a few nurseries on her behalf asking if they had a few more mature roses. In the last minute she decided to buy Knockouts because one of the local nurseries or chain stores (or our local rose society is heavily promoting one of the chain stores) told her that only those would be problem free for her. The club has three plant sales a year. As to roses, people come and ask if we have KOs! No, we don't. I usually have a few OGRs rooted and so far those who bought them come back for others. But I am not a nursery and I do not even have that many OGRs. Very few is willing to go online and order roses though I offer to provide a list of good nurseries for them. DH told me that the university also installed a lot of KOs "but those looked awful and were not even blackspot free". The ritziest neighborhood in town has mass plantings of KOs in the common areas. What do you think the millionaire homeowners ask landscapers to plant in their private yards? Knockouts - mass planted. BORING! BORING! I am sorry for the outburst, I do not mean to insult anyone who plants KOs but if one would see the bleak landscape in this town, s/he would understand my resentment. Of course, the situation is not much better in the area of perennials either. In time it will change but I will not be alive to see that.

I use firefox on all my computers and add the extension ad block plus and use the easylist subscription for it, all free and super easy to install and use, I never ever see an ad anywhere when online including here. That in itself is worth it for me plus all the other awesome firefox extensions I use daily. You can have more than one browser on the pc in fact it is wise to have more than one in case IE fails then you can still have access to online, and you can use IE at the same time. I have had to log in a few more times but assumed that was due to the problems GW posted about in the red print on the start pages. We have had several threads about this over on the computer help forum here and have helped several to get firefox set up so if you need help just head that way.

Go to the top of the page, where the houzz logo is, and use the search feature. Problems selling house brings up 5500+ threads; professional photography 200+, etc. Begin reading. If you find this method lacks the "fun factor", then real estate is not really your area of interest. Don't waste your time; search for another topic of interest, that you find interesting enough to willingly immerse yourself. Seriously, and sincerely. gyr