Good grief will someone turn off the artic blast machine???? Its 16 degrees out right now at 3:30PM with winds gusting to 35+. Wind chills are off the charts and hitting new records. The cats are driving me nuts. Luke must be feeling better because hes been crying for the door for the last four hours. Rahjii is wailing away and it is just too dangerously cold for him to be outside but there is no way to explain that to a cat. So I cant get a thing done because this cat keeps sticking his nose in everything Im trying to do. Hes already knocked the mouse on the floor and I only just turned on the computer. Grrrr Have I mentioned that I hate the wind??? So the other thing is that it is supposed to go down to -1F tonight. I can see the holly and English Ivy dying a bit more each day these cold temps keep up. I shudder to think what is going to be toast in the gardens when spring rolls around. I know, I know V. consider it a new opportunity. Winter doesnt normally get me down but this hideous cold and windy weather is beginning to really bug me. Holy moly. The side of the dining room just got slammed by a 12 foot pine branch!!!!!!! Came flying through the air from one of the trees next door. Glad it didnt get my duck blind. Have I mentioned I really hate the wind. So, Martie, I agree with Cindy 100% that kind of malicious, threatening and harassing email is unacceptable. Is there any way you can find out where that email came from? I think we need to find out who it is and do something about it. There is no excuse for anyone to get threatening emails from a gardening forum or on any forum for that matter. I know you want to take a break for a while and I dont blame you a bit but would you please forward that to me so I can get my computer gurus working on it and finding out who it is so it can be reported to the proper authorities. I know Eileen also got disturbing emails in the past and that kind of underhanded, vicious stuff makes my blood boil. T. how neat about the Elk but what a bummer that the boys are so out of sorts lately. Ive heard that isnt uncommon with twins but dont know why. ~~ Hope you find out whats wrong with the car. That would have me unsettled, not to have a reliable automobile when you aren't close to town. Babs, I LOL over the sandwiches. Too funny that Ryan ate both sandwiches. So what did AJ have for lunch? ~~ Sorry you are tired lately. Sounds like you are burning the candle at both ends. ~~ Yes, I did find Billy Greene again from WWF, thanks for asking. Next year I think Im going to keep them under the lights all winter so I dont lose them. It really is a wonderful variety. Eden, what a bummer you lost your fuchsias! I cant imagine what happened. I wonder if your basement is too warm to let them get truly dormant. Well, I cant winter over Rex Begonias to save my life. I lost two of the three I had and the third is looking pretty awful so I guess we are even. How about I raise fuchsias for you and you do begonias for me??? LOL So Sue, maybe when we TONAW next year we ought to do it on Key West???? Bug, that photo of your DD and DH is priceless!!!! I just love that. Flowers are lovely also. I forgot to tell you how much I like that red cable piece you are knitting now. Are you quite sure you dont want to knit something for me???? LOL Cindy, LOL about the snow having to melt on its own. My grandmother used to say "God put it there let him take it away". Yes, Im thinking that there must be people lurking here who glean this site for ideas. The chances are astronomical that a greenhouse would just happen to begin carrying those particular varieties out of the thousands that are available. I actually found one of my container combinations on the Proven Winners site last year. Could have been coincidence but who knows. Ok time to run, Martie please forward those emails to me if you dont mind. Time to get to the bottom of this. Later Deanne

Great support - thank you all, it is very much appreciated. MALMASON, thank you your kind words are much appreciated. ANN, thank you for all your helpful advice. I do not know if I can get in touch with the Judge, though, I would like to, believe me. My former lawyer is sending the whole file back to me. I have received another helpful letter from him laying some recommendations out to me and finishing off with "I wish you well with your applications. I believe they are well supported and I would be making the same types of applications if my grandchild was at risk. Please contact me to let me know of the outcome". Ann you gave me some really good advice which reminds me to constantly be in touch with the authorities etc. In fact I am going to communicate with the case worker on Monday. She certainly has taken on a lot of power and I know does not believe in separating the siblings, but we do get along and is quite easy to talk to. The foster mum though has become a friend and we can discuss things amongst ourselves which we do not share with the case worker, and we are in touch with each other more than once a week. I do have contact information for all the other lawyers, who now are obliged to include us in all notifications. I already have a very large file of my own and have been diligent in saving all e-mails and printing when relevent, infact anything to do with the case, Our huge affidavit, as well as our police records, home study report and anything that we have from the ministries, and our lawyer. Our son who has been involved but in the background, we believe will be more visual on our lawyer's recommendation as he is the birth father. Even though his job as a tree faller makes it impractical for him to parent Ryan, he has made affidavit to the fact that he wants and trusts his parents to do this. Thanks again. ATHENAINWI, thank you so much. Very appreciated. KATHY, thanks again dear friend for your kind words. ROSE NUTTY, you are so right, so many people believe that. If she has not changed in the last seven months the children have been in foster care, what are the chances. Obviously the children being apprended had made no difference to her. Though she says they are her life. Thanks for your encouragement, much appreciated. ROSELVR, thank you so much for your response. Firstly I want to wish you the very best in your own legal matters too. Yes, cost is phenominal. I think we are up to $20,000, but not had the final account yet, there may be a little left from the original retainer. This would have cost us easily another $10,000 if we had retained counsel for the next JDR and trial, I am sure! Anyway, in the end I trust it will not be a complete waste of money, if only to do with the knowledge that Ryan knows we were there and stood up for him, but I am hoping for a little more than that. Roselvr, I need to organize my files like you, I am sure that will be a big help. Similarly, I have one with everything and then another one with the important material I need at the time. When you talk about a binder with plastic sheets, are they attached to the binder so that it really is in book form and they keep the pages clean, or is this something where you can grab the material easily when you need it, sorry I am not sure I understand? Your last sentence is so true, and we hope and pray too. Thank you so very much. ZEFFY, Just an explanation here. Sorry for any confusion. I refer to my son-in-law a lot because he is a lawyer in Vancouver. Though he practices corporate law, he has still been helpful to us, though he does not profess to know a lot about family law. He was thinking we had no rights as grandparents, where in actual fact that is not the case when the children are in a foster home, grandparents and extended family also, do have rights! In our case there are obstacles. Anyway Florence thanks for your response, you are very kind. I do hope it turns out like your friend's situation, that would be great. Situation seems almost the same, it is, where we as grandparents come from, our grandson is important like theirs, unfortunately we have two extra things to deal with, the issue of the half sibling who is years apart in age and the geography, two provinces apart.:SIGH All of you have been great and supportive and I will keep you updated. Roselvr, good luck to. I will be thinking of you on Monday. Florence, lovely to have you back in full force and "walking" around your garden. Hope you have a great season and your daughter comes on in leaps and bounds too! Pauline - Vancouver Island

There are as many reasons for not "being in cyberspace" as there are people. I could hardly be described as a Luddite yet I despise most email newsletters. I worked in tech support, and have a tech degree, and 2 professional computer certifications. Still I prefer my editor's exchange newsletters to be hard copy. Why? because your average rose society email newsletter is poorly done. Creating a computer file for a paper publication is very different from creating a computer file for a cyber publication, and the latter is not a skill that's been very necessary until recently. One major assumption people make is that everyone either has broadband internet at home, or can use their work email to receive personal email. These are not valid assumptions! But they go on to make email newsletters with ginormous file sizes because they want to include color photos. But, they don't seem to know how to compress those photos first, or to know when a photo really is unnecessary. Really, do we need to see yet another color photo of someone's Peace rose? we all know what it looks like by now! So I end up receiving newsletters that take 15 minutes (no exaggeration here) to download, and for what?? nothing much. One local society newsletter includes a color photo of each article's and column's author!!!!! boy, does that clog up the pipeline. It's nice to be able to put a face to the name, but at least make it a thumbnail so it downloads faster! we don't need a lot of resolution for that. File type compatibility is an issue few understand, too, as Mad Gallica stated above. Not everyone has the Windows version of Office. There are very good reasons for people to use other software, and email distributors have to understand that they can't expect everyone to have one particular brand of software. We have members who do not own a computer and who are retired. They're not going to be able to get a newsletter by email, period. I'm not willing to cut them off, especially when they've been very very active members for decades. Another assumption is that people are getting these emails. Some of the major webmail providers that lots of people use, do not accept mass emails, or have file size limitations on individual mailboxes so that emails with large attachments simply disappear without arriving, or have overly aggressive spam filtering that deletes legitimate emails, or just simply are unreliable. No email service is 100% reliable. The USPS is much more reliable, overall. We tried once sending our newsletter by email but it just wouldn't go to aol or yahoo addresses, and that was half our list. Our board has had email discussions before, but when people don't reply, you have to wonder if they didn't get the emails, which is a very real possibility. Age is not really a factor in computer literacy here, we have older members who are extremely computer literate, but I know as you go farther into the hinterlands, away from centers of high-tech employment, the age of computer competency drops. It's always this way with any technological shift. The kids are learning it in grade school, but personal computers didn't even exist when I was in school. We have a website, but it doesn't get a whole lot of traffic. Older people, who are more likely to be obsessed with roses, are less likely to think, 'Let's see if it's online!' But I think it's important to have one. It lets people find us for one, and it has a LOT of local cultural information on it that people can look up anytime, and it has our schedule and a map to our meetings and our show. Remember that the average age of posters on this forum is only 48, and I know that the bottom age group for members in our local society is basically mid forties. Jerijen: THANK YOU for your comments on reposting other people's work. The same goes, I might add, for republishing other's work in your own newsletter, without even attribution. One side effect of emailing newsletters is it makes it that much easier for your work to be lifted and republished without permission, just like anything posted on the Web. I've always figured that so long as people attribute properly I don't need them to ask permission first, it's not like this is commercial property here, but I have one regular writer who would rather people ask first before reprinting his stuff. Now: I wrote an article on how to make a good email newsletter, and it's been posted on the ARS website, and it's MY work so I can go ahead and post the link. Unfortunately it's hard to find so I don't think many people are going to see it otherwise. I won't bore you all by posting the whole thing here, those who want it can follow the link. Caution: it was posted in Word (.doc) format, rather than HTML or PDF. Here's something I've done before, and had work: save the file to your desktop, then change the file extension to a file type your computer CAN open, ie change .doc to .rtf or .txt. It'll look screwy because the formatting is lost but it should be readable.

click some more rules, most likely its not comming from .info then. .. they are faking the header but the real is there too maybe if you look at source. They are tricky to read with all the gar bage there. I dont have OE to look at but quickly looked on the web... Where the From line contains people Where the Subject line contains specific words Where the To or CC line contains people Delete it from server