I would not allow site advisor to update in fact it is no longer on any of my machines, you can remove it from add remove programs. it once was a good tool, but it got very greedy and wanted to really take over and stopped letting people make changes to it,and started installing components with out letting people know just like what just happened to you with that application installer cleanup app, that upset a lot of people and many many people left it then which is when I left it. It is McAfee ! Now instead we suggest using WOT on all the browsers it does a better job and it is not intrusive into the system. Safe Browsing tool WOT Web of Trust I will see if Bill P the creator of winpatrol has a simple tutorial or if he knows of one and let you know. I know that Corrine has done some tutorials on it in the past.

Nearandwest, you have discovered the best forum on GW. The great people here have helped me out of so many problems, I couldn't even list them all! Its embarrassing, but each time I think I have learned everything, my computers hit me with more. It is an ongoing, learning process. Owbist...good minds think alike. I am only doing this to learn something about cleaning out nasties. Believe me, I told him to come for help and get his computer fixed, but he didn't...he started using my computers. That was the 'straw.' I'm not sure if I can use MS Security Essentials on his XP machine. It is 4 yrs old. Raven, you have the patience of a saint! He uses his computer in his office and I am rarely in there unless he yells for help with something. As a result, I think he would receive notifications of updates and just ignore them. There is no other reason for some versions of software being so old. I have been cleaning up his machine all weekend and discovered Spywareblaster hadn't been updated since 10/09. I downloaded Secunia and he had so many old and dead versions of things its ridiculous. I am setting everything to automatic. If I can run MS Security Essentials, I will. I ran MWB and it found 2 infections. I'm now running ESECT again and so far it has found another Trojan. So I guess I'll wait for Corinne to return and continue to work on it. At least its working and I'm able to see everything again, plus I can update things. Thanks for your support, this is certainly an interesting experience. Jane

WinPatrol is intended to be a simple added security feature. Pops up message boxes to allow or not, new start up & services items or changes in browser Home Page. Lets you catch the toolbar or free things that come with some program installs that try to sneak in when you don't read all the install windows carefully. It allows you to simply see where most items start from and makes it simple to delete start up items or non Microsoft services, or disable them or delay startup on something. Its handy for me to use the Plus feature to get a quick what is.. on a file. Example is the intel HD graphics puts three items in in long list of intel things you don't really need or might not want running. They load hot keys for graphics and a tray icon. Graphic settings are avail in Control Panel.. I don't need the extra's running - to be rotating my screen or changing resolutions - and sometimes by accident too.

fwiw I've run startup repair on win7 a few times. It needs to be run back to back without trying to boot into windows, or it looses count and runs the same first run repair process each time. With my laptop, when startup repair finishes and restarts the computer, then I have to push my boot from cd key quickly again or its lost that ability to count. It would tell you in the reports run once, 2x or 3x. First run is I dont remb, 30 or 40 minutes for win7. Second run is maybe just 2 minutes. Third run would be the same quick, or slighly quicker than 2nd run. And it aways says something about 'startup repair can not repair this computer automatically' I assume it says this because nothing was wrong. I just wanted my partition tables/names microsoft style after using a 3rd party tool to resize partitions.