I think it would work, though I think he would need to attach the 4 poles somewhere lower down as well with another square. And judging how big roses get, I wonder if 18 inches would be a better size. If you want to avoid welding, I made a pillar using a bicycle wheel instead of a wagon wheel. If you don't have a gonza mountain biker in the family, you can get bent rims at any bike shop for free. I attached the rim to the 4 foot stump of a small tree that died. You could use 4 x 4 pressure treated or redwood, not cheap, sunk in Quikrete or however they spell it. I spray painted the wheel flat black using a particular spray paint primer a metal metal fabricator said to use for stuff outdoors. You'll never see the wheel or the post eventually. If you have access to hardwood forest, you could make rustic pillars from saplings about 4 inches in diameter (uggh, sounds like work).

Thank all of you for allowing me to infiltrate your forum, despite ranting about plants that you are gardening with sans difficulty. To me, the problem is exactly the concept that gardeners like to share the wealth, and the receiver of bounty may find the behavior to be far different than the donor. That's how invasive species get started unintentionally. Why aren't we all on the same page? Some of it is commercial ventures like to make money as easily as possible. Which NE states have had to ban the production and sale of certain non-native ornamentals (like Berberis) because vendors wouldn't quit selling them, despite the pretty obvious effect this species was having on natural lands and plant communities? It is really hard to overcome this tendency, as well as the one where people can't fathom that an ornamental plant can behave badly. That's why I made the cockroach comment. I don't know too many folks that would defend these varmints (or rats) where they threaten our humble abodes. I consider most of the invasive species of plants to be "rooted roaches." Some people live too far north for roaches to be a problem, but...I bet they wouldn't have them around, even one, even if it couldn't reproduce! And they sure wouldn't share them with their friends. But gardeners are going to do what they are going to do. I just believe in providing the information - for them to do what they will with it - and not belabor and/or overmoralize. Well, maybe a little bit. A long time ago I made a comparison to growing known invasives to use of lead-based paint. As a society, we've decided that the dangers outweighed the benefits of a very good product, because the dangers couldn't be quashed and the danger was long-lasting. This might be the way to think about some of these plants that currently might eke by on current climate and growing seasons, which we know very well are not static. I mentioned above that I had planted a number of selections of Miscanthus sinensis around the Valley here. When I read up on their propensity to escape, and observed it myself around central KY, I determined that these plants would not be long for this world. I am just now reaching the end of that endeavor. I burned several large clumps in place last weekend to destroy the seedheads, and managed to singe two of my very nicest Ilex opaca ('Big Daddy' and 'Judy Evans') in the process. They had made quite the garden pairing. Today, out on the tundra, I cut back all the clumps that I could find that were the escapes and burned them. In the spring, I'll have to dislodge the root wads, or hit them with a graminicide to finish the job. I drive by the site of a former nursery that specialized in ornamental grasses and rhododendrons (what a KY mix!) daily on my way to work in Louisville. This nursery occupied about twenty acres, and that field (observable from I-64 in Shelby County) is now one vast mass of Miscanthus sinensis. You wouldn't believe it unless you saw it happen. I will get a picture of this site this winter. If someone cares to re-educate me on how to post a picture in a thread here, I'll share the scene. I took a read through the Garden Rant link. Some notable statements: "...environmentally neutral - neither a detractor nor a contributor." "He's also friends with Doug Tallamy... Well, I know Rick Darke personally too. He's lectured several times in Louisville, and I took him for a ride through Cherokee Park one winter. He's a fine fellow, and I admire his ethic and design/gardening style. He has quite the eye for arranging native and non-native plants in a way where you wouldn't notice that those plants wouldn't normally belong together. I don't agree with him on the subject of Miscanthus, though, for the reasons I've mentioned above. Also, if one of your gardening goals is to contribute to supporting native systems and local fauna, a non-contributor (which could be replaced by a native contributor) doesn't seem like the choice to make. Saying he's friends with Doug Tallamy is really throwing up a smoke screen! I just listened to a long lecture presented by Doug at the national ASLA conference in Philadelphia in early October. What a great presentation! He has the greatest photos of bugs you may ever want to see, especially the caterpillars. The thrust of his presentation: every native plant you put in the ground (especially ones fed on by native caterpillars) is a huge leverage to supporting those populations, as well as the rest of the fauna that feed on the caterpillars! Think about it... All the birds that eat caterpillars, and feed their young, etc., need those beasts around to support their life cycle. If the plants the caterpillars eat are not there, then they don't exist to support the birds, the birds don't raise as many young, and you see the spiral that begins. I highly recommend everyone take a look-see at getting Doug Tallamy's book Bringing Nature Home: How Native plants Sustain Wildlife in Our Gardens (Tallamy, D.W. 2007. Timber Press. Portland, Oregon). You can see more about the text at http://bringingnaturehome.net and you can delve into all things Doug at http://copland.udel.edu/~dtallamy/ if you haven't had enough. Apocalyptic? I don't mean to be, and I don't demean gardeners who plant what they like. I just think that there is a lot of opportunity for illumination, and every little bit helps to see the light and the big picture. Runk, trun is a wise man, in more ways than one... On another site, I've often offered up proposals for plant naming; trun has inspired another. Miscanthus sinensis Intensely Incestuous

1 thing I should mention----Ensure you test drive the trim level you desire. Why: When we initially looked at the CRV---the sales guy showed us the bare bones model! And we were like--not for us! and we moved on 1 day out of boredom and being that I love Honda/Acuras--I went to another dealer and the sales guy showed me the EX-L (top of the line minus a few options) what a difference!! Called the wife, she came by, test drove it and was in love!! if you are in a big city with a lot of dealers--emailing the online salesguy may be ur best bet!! I emailed close to 20 Honda dealers in the DC area---told them exactly what I wanted and I planned to buy in less than 2 weeks time. And I wanted their BEST out the door price. Yes some just emailed back and said they would match the best price I would get. But I got some good offers. I phoned the top 5, to let them know I was real, and went from there!! I armed myself with what was a good price by finding Honda CRV forums---and one 1 forum,they had a section called "What did you pay for your crv" There were a few in the DC area,with the same trim level, so I had a good idea! Plus there is a site called truecar.com that supposedly gets their info from banks and insurance companies! So armed with the above info, I got a real good deal on my 2011 CRV EX-L--good enough that 1 salesman called me a liar when I told him the price I paid. It is the people that do NOT do any research on prices, that pay too much, and allow a store to sell cheaper to u! Best of luck on the vehicle you choose and take the time to do the research!!

Moen Velocity S6320. Here is a link that might be useful: This one