Wet block against rigid foam insulation (Insulpink) - What to do?
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Comments (9)This is what I would do sharron. install on exterior of wall 1/2" rigid closed cell insulation boards on corners over 1/2" plywood, 1" foam insulation boards on all walls. tape all seams, nail with proper nailing patterns, repair any holes before exterior cladding. if you are using a brick exterior opt for the foil foam faced sheating boards, foil will act as radaint barrier behind air space of brick. These sheating boards are air and water barrier. if housewrap is used install it next to studs under foam boards. (note that is from local utility company's energy design info..it is not necessary but was put in to appease housewrap mfgs) Near where I live is an insulation company that installs rockwool in the walls and does an exceptional job. BIBS is a nice system, even batts will perform much better since air barrier and insulation boards are stopping air flow thru the insulation from the exterior. Install drywall with air tight drywall approach, make sure sill plates (sole plates) are sealed when in framing stages. Pay attention to potential air leakage sites and seal the leakage areas up. If you use foam..and this is what I get from conversations with building scientists for our climate..open cell on rooflines. Also walls under floors and attic floors. open cell. foaming the roofline will help with duct leakage issues..I'm sure you are putting your system in the attic.. another one of those really stupid things we do! If you choose not to foam the roofline..mastic sealing of ductwork, sealed return air chases, and supply boxes should be done. (I think is should be done reguardless) tight homes are more efficient, and thus require less tons of hvac. this is a problem you may encounter in your dealings with the hvac industry. Bigger is not better. Bigger costs more upfront, costs more per month to operate and does not dehumidify. build it tight..ventilate it right. we have been building homes here for 10 years that I know of with the foam sheating boards, long before foam became flavor of the week. we are achieving .25 air changes per hour and occasionally less. In cases there ach is less than.25 filtered dampered fresh air is brought into return side of hvac system allowing clean, measured, dehumidified air to enter the house when needed. if you go this route and decide on another method of adding fresh air energy recovery ventilators are for our climate. Oh and recessed lights (my pet peeve) insulation contact air tight only ICAT not IC. It is all about controlling air flow. IC cans leak like sieves and pull unconditioned air and insulation particles into homes. Things that you should read up on are flashing windows.. the correct way. www.grace.com has good info. btw you should read builders guide to hot humid climates from www.buildingscience.com good stuff. also you can email joe with specific questions. I do it often. best of luck....See MoreOpinions on using Rigid Foam on exterior walls & basement floor?
Comments (24)Technically 1" of XPS versus 2" of XPS would be about half the cost. So, is that worth the savings ultimately? I will not have in floor radiant heat for the basement. When you say slab I keep thinking you mean a slab built house, to reiterate, this is a basement and local code *here at least* does not require ANY rigid foam for the basement slab. Not sure if it even is required on the foundation walls. I guess this zoning ordinance is behind on code updates. -shrug- I see myself as one in a few that will be considering rigid foam for any basement application in new construction here. Is there any benefit to using XPS over the EPS for the foundation WALLS? I know I can get some EPS cheaper per R-Value but it will be thicker. I was thinking over 2" of EPS foam would be troublesome to fasten and then cover. Any recommendations on what to cover the foam with before backfill? Or should I only worry about covering the exposed foam on the walkout basement portion? I intend on using a waterproofing prior to installing rigid foam to the foundation walls....See MoreRigid insulation & wall assembly design in Hot-Humid Zone 1 (Florida)
Comments (8)Thanks for the help. I definitely planned on sealing to prevent convection air movement and maintain internal AC pressure. I knew R value wasnt as important as up-north but I thought R13 was the goal. I'm no expert though. As for radiant heat I am not sure I have many options at the moment but overhangs and awnings. On a hot day I can feel the heat coming through the cement blocks holding my hand an inch from the surface of the cement. I don't feel I can use a radiant barrier in the wall though as that would require about a 2" gap and being an existing house I'd have to extend walls/jams/etc. Yes, foam would be better on exterior and interior but the exterior is intact and I don't want to get into that yet. I may in the future. For now, I need to solve the interior wall mold and wetness problem. Some people here use the foil faced rigid insulation and put the shiny part against the cement. I guess as a radiant barrier, but without an air gap what good does that do? It just becomes a heat conductor. It also acts as a vapour barrier too so will just cause condensation yet again that would have trouble drying. It seems to go against what I am learning but when I asked someone about this they didnt seem to know why they do it....See MoreFraming and Insulating Against Concrete Wall
Comments (7)I installed Dupont Foamular board directly against the concrete walls, using Liquid Nails (IIRC) to stick it to the concrete. I used temporary bracing to hold it against the wall until the adhesive set up, and just worked my way down the wall. I then taped all the seams with Tyvek tape and spray foamed any gaps that couldn't be easily covered by the foam board. Mine was in a basement, so I also cut foam board and used it with spray foam to insulate the rim joist. Then I framed a 2x4 wall right up against the foam board, with a foam gasket under the pressure treated bottom plate of the framing. I squared up the framing and then shot nails into the floor with a gun to hold the bottom, and nails into the joists above to hold the top. The framing is not attached to the wall, and there are no penetrations through the foam into the block wall. The electrical wiring was run between the framing and the foam board, or through holes near the back edge of the 2x4. I then installed rock wool insulation between the studs to provide additional insulation. When I installed the drywall I kept the bottom about 1/2" off the concrete so it would not absorb moisture. When the baseboard molding was installed it was spaced about 1/4' off the floor. I just cleaned up the floor with water and Simple Green, and painted it with gray concrete paint from HD. As the paint wears I'll just put on another coat. Bruce...See Moreworthy
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