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Snake morph experts id?

21 years ago

Hey all morph masters. Recently acquired this four footer, but can't for the life of me pin down the name. Gentle as a baby, kinda half rat, half king, feeding well, coils around prey but can't climb or scale a branch for beans! All white underneath, above yellowish with some pattern. Any help appreciated.

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jamez
21 years ago
Nice! Looks like a prarie king to me. Almost positive but I could be wrong. Was it found in the wild?
Day_By_Day
Original Author
21 years ago
With black eyes?
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paalexan
21 years ago
Welcome to modern herpetoculture. You might have an amelanistic prairie king. You might have some sort of mutt hybrid. The seller didn't know, and now neither will you.

At this point, when it comes to kingsnakes, corn snakes, and the like, if you want certain knowledge of what you've got you pretty much have to buy from reputable people who know and can tell you the history of the animal. There are too many hybrids around. Even some of the stuff that looks like a nice clean pure species isn't really trustworthy anymore, if you ask me.

Patrick Alexander
chad_ks
21 years ago
Well said Patrick.

chad
Sharon McKenzie
21 years ago
I'm pretty sure that is an amelanistic Prairie King. Look closely; it doesn't have black eyes. They definately look light-colored to me, with a clear delineation between the pupil and the iris.

Sharon McKenzie
Day_By_Day
Original Author
21 years ago
Good work all. Is that the same thing as albino? Also, a bigger problem than naming him. He's sooooooooooo tame, it makes me sad that he has this uh, condition. Like he has one or more eye caps still attached on one side. I read about using warm water, mineral oil, q tips, tweezers, scotch tape, etc. Water, q tips and scotch tape haven't worked. Please offer some suggestions about how to save the eyesight of just about the most tame and gentle snakes I've EVER encountered.

{{!gwi}}
Sharon McKenzie
21 years ago
His eye does appear reddish-pink, like an albino's should be, but he does have a problem. I don't know if it is a stuck eye cap, or an infection. I'd wait until he sheds, and see if the eye improves. You should be able to notice the eye caps on the shed skin, and if you can't find them, you'll know he's retained them. Sometimes, after several eye caps have built up, it's necessary to consult a vet who knows about this problem, but usually they will come off with the next shed, provided that you let the snake soak plenty during his "opaque" cycle. If there's an infection in his eye, a vet will need to prescribe antibiotics.

Sharon McKenzie

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