buckstarchaser, my particular screen reader is Window Eyes by GW Micro, which uses an audio voice to relay information to me regarding what's on the screen (I'm not an accomplished braille reader beyond knowing and sometimes using the very basic alphabet). And when programmers don't label their graphics with text, the screen reader can't identify them. You can learn a bit more about that at this link. Due to my current version becoming what I consider more complicated and less reliable (perhaps because I haven't kept up with the changes in technology), I recently bought a MacBook because I got an iPhone 4S last year and was amazed by how accessible it is. So I'm still in the process of learning how to navigate the net with Apple's VoiceOver technology. And the only "tactile" output I'm aware of when it comes to screen readers is the use of a braille display,, which optionally translates the text I hear to braille. Hope that answers your question and thanks for expressing an interest. :) BB in FL

And another from the Kansas City Infozine, that CNAH just distributed: NEWS RELEASE The Center for North American Herpetology Lawrence, Kansas http://www.cnah.org 11 July 2005 Kansas City Infozine (Missouri) by Jim Low Beleaguered Salamanders Now Plagued by Deformities Jefferson City, Mo. - Pity the Hellbender. For years, its numbers have been dwindling in the face of indiscriminate killing, illegal collecting, and changes in the streams it inhabits. Even its love life has been affected. Now it faces a new tribulation, physical deformities. What's an amphibian to do? This one is getting help from the conservation agencies. Missouri is the only state that has both Hellbender subspecies [considered by most modern-day herpetologists to be distinct species] - Ozark and Eastern. To the average person, they are indistinguishable. Both are endangered in Missouri. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is building a case for giving both federal endangered status. As recently as the 1960s, the Show-Me State had thriving populations of both varieties. The Eastern Hellbender still inhabits Meramec, Big, Gasconade, Big Piney and Niangua rivers and the Osage Fork of the Osage River. The Ozark Hellbender lives in the Current, Jacks Fork and Eleven Point rivers, the North Fork of the White River and Bryant Creek. However, since the 1970s, Eastern Hellbender numbers have plummeted 80 percent. During the same period, Ozark Hellbender numbers have declined by 70 percent. One of the biggest sources of concern about Hellbenders is the failure of recent surveys to discover young specimens or other signs of reproduction. The species has practically disappeared from the streams it used to inhabit in Arkansas. No single factor is known to have caused these precipitous declines. Dam building took a toll as reservoirs covered cold, fast-moving waters that hellbenders require. Gravel mining in streams and other human activity on nearby land allowed gravel and mud to smother more of their habitat. Declining water quality may have played a role, too. Hellbenders absorb oxygen--and anything else in the water--through their skin. Their extra sensitivity to pollution makes them a "canary in the coal mine" for water quality. Increasing recreational use of the streams where Hellbenders live also has increased pressure on the species. Anglers who accidentally hook Hellbenders sometimes kill them unintentionally. The quadrupling of canoe traffic on some rivers increases disturbance of the rocky bottoms of Ozark streams. No one knows how this might be affecting the big amphibians. Deliberate damage is a problem. Illegal collection for food and medicine in overseas markets and for the pet trade has decimated Hellbender numbers in some rivers. In other areas, dozens of Hellbenders have been found dead on stream banks, apparent victims of human ignorance. Part of the Hellbender's problem is its appearance. They have wrinkled, mottled skin that varies from gray to brown. Tiny, dark eyes peer from the tops of their heads. They are huge compared to most salamanders. Adult Hellbenders are one to two feet long. Jeff Briggler, [state herpetologist] for the Missouri Department of Conservation, sums up their overall appearance, saying, "They're kind of gross." Their unlovely appearance has led to all sorts of misconceptions. The most damaging is the mistaken belief that Hellbenders have "poison spurs" on their legs and can inflict dangerous wounds. With such folk tales making the rounds, it's no wonder that some anglers kill the Hellbenders they catch. Briggler frequently sees mutilated specimens with wounds from fish gigs or fishing lines trailing from their mouths. The rationale often used to justify killing snapping turtles and other aquatic predators - that they eat game fish - won't work for Hellbenders. Their diet consists almost entirely of crayfish, minnows and other small animals. Besides, there are so few Hellbenders, they couldn't possibly have a significant effect on fish numbers. Briggler said it is impossible to mistake a Hellbender for a fish. He says he suspects some are killed by people who want to see what they are but are afraid to touch them. "I know they look weird," said Briggler, "but they are harmless. There is no good reason to kill them." For most animals, losses of this kind would not be a problem. But Hellbenders already are scarce, and they don't seem to be producing young. If the adults currently living in Missouri streams die without reproducing, the species could be lost to the state. As if all this were not enough, now Hellbenders must contend with what could be the final insult - physical deformities. Briggler says an alarming number of Hellbenders he has seen in recent years have misshapen toes, legs or eyes. Some are missing appendages. Others have tumors or other abnormalities. The severity of the problem varies from stream to stream. In the Current River, three-quarters of all Hellbenders have some kind of deformity. "This animal already has so much against it right now," said Briggler. "These abnormalities could be the end of them." The Conservation Department and the Fish and Wildlife Service have brought together other conservation agencies, universities and public zoos to form the Ozark Hellbender Working Group. Together, they are pursuing a bevy of projects to pinpoint the causes of Hellbender decline and reverse it. The public has an important role to play in one of those efforts-population monitoring. "At this point, every sighting is important," said Briggler. "If an angler hooks one and releases it, or if a gigger sees one, we would like to know about it. That kind of information is extremely helpful for keeping track of where these animals still live. I can't tell you how grateful we are to people who take time to call in such sightings." He urged anyone who sees a Hellbender to call him at 573/522-4115, ext. 3201. Several facts will help him make the most of each Hellbender report. Most important is location. He suggests looking for landmarks, such as barns, bluffs or other permanent features. He also needs to know the date of the sighting and the approximate length of the hellbender. Photographs are helpful if they can be taken without keeping the animal out of the water more than a few seconds. Anglers who hook Hellbenders can release them two ways. Removing the hook is best if the animal is not hooked deeply. Otherwise, the line should be cut and the hook left in place. Most animals released this way survive. Besides studying Hellbenders intensively and investigating possible contributing factors in their decline, the Ozark Hellbender Working Group is trying to develop a captive breeding program. Young hellbenders raised at zoos or fish hatcheries could be used in research or to replenish wild stocks. "I am afraid that without artificial propagation the Hellbender may not survive here," said Briggler.

cat ky, what happened when you tried the tsp? It did work for me, but this was icing on the cake and what the tsp didn't remove, this has. The bathroom I gutted out had white hexagon tiles with white grout. I didn't find the Grout 66 when I cleaned that grout but the tsp did a great job. Maybe you didn't do it strong enough? Use a good stiff grout brush? I see someone is selling it on Ebay but no idea how old it is because it mentions it as a previous name which changed. I suggest if you have a Dal Tile near you to call and see if they carry it, and if so, if they will sell that to you since they normally don't sell to individuals. They may know where to tell you to get it if they can't. Otherwise, call the company, they should be able to tell you who sells the quarts, which is what I bought. Also, go to your local hair supply store, I went to Sally, and get the applicator bottle with the fine tip and use that to apply it to the grout. Look at the tips, some are cut finer than others. Unfortunately, there's no cap, so whatever you don't use, just dump back in the original bottle. Here is a link that might be useful: Grout 66

Golddust- It was actually Carr-Feeley. When we took him there in 95 we went all the way to Milk lake. We got a late start this time and with the kids we did not want to hike too long so we only went two miles in. We have been doing a lot of day trips checking out places to camp more rural so pup can practice running free and returning on command. He had his first campout up at Sterling. There is a free area that used to be a real campground. Has portapotties and the areas are marked quite well but you can pull in anywhere you like. We went a little deep into woods and had a blast. We like Sardine but cannot take dog within 100yds? or so of water so we would have to stay at one of the primitives up the road and dh would have to go alone to Sardine. Last year we drove all around up there and fell head over heals. We took our huge ram 1500 truck up the logger road above emerald lake. We did not make it up to the lookout tower. Truck was just too huge to go that far for me. We spend vacation time down at Convict Lake and drove our new jeep up the 4x4 trail to laurel lakes. We did not have pup because we continued to Utah and they do not allow dogs in National Parks. We plan to go back to Convict with him though later on. His first big adventure was the long bumpy road to Bowman. Talk about a road needing some pot holes filled. It was really pretty up there. Once we aired down the tires it was much more pleasant. Doggy did not mind. Top down and ears flapping in the wind. What more could a pup want. It is amazing how much love a dog, or even a cat, can bring to our lives. This pup has been so much more work than our first buddy. Temperment is so much stronger. And being 17 yrs since we have had to raise a pup this has been a long 9 months. Dh is really having fun taking him to obedience classes. Due to schedules I took our first buddy and that was not good. He did fine but really needed my dh. This pup knows who his alpha is and they are really enjoying the process. Our first was an american with showdog parents. He naturally pranced and was so sweet but did have major separation anxiety when we ever parted. This one is a german who has an intense prey drive- just ask the chipmunk he nearly caught last weekend in the woods. He is one of the top jumpers in class so far and dh really looks forward to doing agility. He would do good with protection training but that is not my big thing. Dh would like to get the shutzen, whatever thingy. He has potential. I still have my Kiki girl's ashes. She passed a few years ago. Indoor kitty so I think she will stay with me until I pass. She was my heart and soul. I miss her meow so much. Having her spend her last night in my lap, letting out one last meow which she had not done in weeks, purrrrr love until the end. I could fit her ashes box inside the box of my shephards. She was tiny. But then again he was huge. DD seems fine with the weekend. She will be glad she went but I will never make her feel bad for not being able to participate. Being there was important enough. I started a shadow box for my dh's office. It is our buddy's collar with the tags dangling down. Inside the circle of the collar I am going to put the picture we took that day at the lake. It is dh's favorite. It is of him and his buddy-best-buddy sitting on a huge rock beside the lake. I will wait a while to give it to him, dh is a pretty quiet guy and now would be too soon. Thanks for all the lovely comments, it truly was a love story to share.