A word of caution: If you're planning on getting these bagged roses from Big Lots or anywhere else do it quick! In these stores they're thrown on shelf and left to fend for themselves. They get no sun so they grow all that sickly white growth from what ever cane stored energy they have using it up too soon and they get no water so they dry out super fast and die unless you catch them as soon as they show up and get them home to care for them. Even the seemingly better quality boxed ones like at Costco get NO CARE. If you don't catch them in the first week they're put out your chances of getting them to survive get slim. At least at my Lowes/HD/Wallyworld they're usually in the garden center and they may get some light and a little water once in a while but there's no guarantee. So I recommend checking them out very carefully before buying them and if they still look green and viable don't procrastinate. Buy the ones you want immediately and assume responsibility for their care.

Thanks everyone for the replies! So I'll start shopping around for stone remnants and see what I can come up with for a remnant. Pal- there is no box behind that light fixture. I just switched out the same light fixture in the upstairs bathroom and there is no box; just wires coming out of the wall behind that fixture. I checked with the folks over in the home remodeling forum and they said that the way my wires are set up is consistent with code and is fine. I just don't have as many options when it comes to light fixtures because I'll need one with a significant backplate on it. What do you think of these as possible light fixtures? (the first light fixture is Dolce by Corbett lighting. I've tried to upsize the photo with not much success). Also, what do you think of framing the mirror in a thin piece of moulding, then doing a tile inset, surrounded by another piece of moulding, like this on houzz.com. [contemporary bathroom design[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/contemporary-bathroom-ideas-phbr1-bp~t_712~s_2103) by sacramento interior designer Kerrie L. Kelly

Maybe it is my technical training but in this topic and so many others what I notice first is a failure to look at the big picture. A few observations: Many posters have said that the cat should have been trapped and turned over to an animal shelter. Lets get one thing straight. This already happens with countless cats, who frequently get euthanized because no one claims or adopts them. Yes there is a system in place to capture and place stray cats but like every other system devised by man it has its limits and unfortunately due to the fecundity of cats and the irresponsibility of many so called pet owners there are more cats than can be dealt with. The existence of shelters does not mean the cats won't die. The only thing that has any realistic hope of ensuring the safety of a domestic cat in the US is a comitted and competent owner who shelters and feeds the cat, provides medical care including spaying or neutering, and doesn't ever let the cat roam outside or reproduce at will. Consistancy is important. Logic doesn't work without it. If animal shelters could handle the feral cat population then there would be no argument for Trap, Neuter, and Release (TNR) programs that maintain feral cat colonies. The hypothesis is that if you removed the existing feral cats they would only be replaced by other feral cats moving in so it is better to maintain sterile cats in these available urban niches. The logic of this is totally lost on me because if there are other feral cats out there in the shadows, then THEY are starving and pushed around by the comparatively well fed and healthy TNR colony cats. If on the other hand there aren't that many feral cats out there on the fringes then it would be better to trap them, find homes for all that you can, and do what needs to be done with the rest. As for the fools who suggest "relocating" cats, you mean dumping them on someone else? Where they have to violently reestablish their place in the pecking order all over again, in an environment that all groups agree is overcrouded? Would any of us like to be "relocated"? Perhaps to some of the more colorful areas of LA, NY City, Detroit? Who thinks it would be any better for a cat? The people on the front lines know there aren't enough beds in the shelters. As much as I think the TNR programs are dodging the issue, I don't think they are making things worse as long as they do what they claim, sterilize the cats and feed them. Feeding them makes them somewhat less likely to hunt and makes them able to out compete the non-sterile cats. Not what cat lovers would like to hear, I'm sure. People should obey gun laws. Did this guy break any gun laws? Probably. It is hard to shoot a gun these days without breaking a law. Was he 500 feet from the nearest road? No. His target was under a road. Prosecute him for that. Did he break any wildlife laws? One post said it was legal to shoot cats at that time. Don't prosecute him for that. The guard claimed ownership of the cat, which was completely outside of his control. The moment the guard claimed ownership he should have been nailed for cruelty to animals, letting his cat live like that, and for property damage done by the feral cats in that area including his cat. I say his cat although that is a joke, but he claims it is true. Personally I don't see any difference between cats and rats. My brother's kids have some pet rats and they are sweet little things, totally unlike wild rats. Same with cats. This unfortunately is almost entirely a battle for hearts and minds without any logic to it. If cat lovers really want to secure the high ground they should be the ones insisting that that guard be prosecuted. People are the greatest invasive species, depending on your point of view. I personally want to have adequate food, water, shelter, safety, etc. If any other organism threatens to interfere with that it is in my opinion a pest. Here's where it gets complicated. According to this definition most of the "pests" in the world are other people. I can not justify defining other people as pests. If you want to be consistant and logical you just can't call people pests, in the grand scheme of things. Sure, it would be a load off of the world if half the population died. Who? Half my family, determined by lottery? Or perhaps we could decide by skin color or religion, like the Nazis did? You see where I am going. Don't waste any time talkng about how people are the problem, even though they are. There is nowhere useful to go with this argument. Now that that is off the table, understand that while habitat preservation is desireable, it is linked to population. Personally I think we ultimately need to talk about population but not in a polite forum like this. That belongs in a knock down drag out forum on doomsday scenarios, which this isn't. If we go there we would be talking about poisoning feral animals wholesale like we do rats. I have read alot about the pressure that feral cats put on bird populations. I think that it may be true that they prey more on rodents than birds because rodents can't fly and are easier prey. I imagine that some birds are much more vulnerable than others. To do this right we would have to evaluate each prey species individually. I'll bet that the seabirds that the ornithologist was allegedly protecting are among the more vulnerable species. My take is that I can see why a sane person would do what this ornithologist did. He had a vested interest in the welfare of these particular birds just as a farmer does in his livestock He would have understood the particular threat that feral cats would pose to a threatened population. He would understand population dynamics. He would have seen that the population of feral cats was doomed to remain at dangerously high levels due to the inability of society to come to grips with the problem, as is shown by how many posters naiively propose ineffective alternatives even as overwhelmed local health authorities throw up their hands and cave in to assorted cat fanatics who were feeding the cats anyway. Prosecute the guy for any gun violations if you must, but to do any more is fiddling while Rome burns.

Gary, thanks for this fun thread. I've bookmarked it so that when I've a moment here or there, I can read through it bit by bit. It's really kind of the kernel of this site. I'm posting one of several favorite things, but I've chosen this in particular because someone elsewhere called this cabinet a "problem" cabinet -- and yet I designed it this way deliberately and it's even more successful than I could have hoped! I don't know if the moral is just "Different strokes" or rather that I haven't adequately explained why it's neat. This is a cabinet on the edge of my kitchen overlooking the next part of my wide open space that is the family room. That is, the kitchen and family room are one big room, and substantially open to the rest of the shared room in the downstairs as well, the dining room and living room. I wanted to transition the edge between kitchen and family room. I had thought since we mostly just read in a family room, maybe crafts too (we've never before had one so I don't rightly know exactly how it will be used), I thought I'd want a set of bookshelves that could hold family-room-type books or games or something. For now at least these bookshelves are holding cookbooks and I really like it. I don't know whether this will change in the future. But in order to set the bookshelves into the cabinet, right-angles to the cabinet itself, a bite had to come out of the cabinet to house the book shelf. And then for there to be a door on the cabinet, the bite had to be recessed a bit to make room for the hinges. What I hadn't anticipated was how useful this little minishelf would be given the plan to house spices in this cabinet. My most-used spices edge out onto the mini shelf on the right where they are just one-deep; no rooting for lost spices amongst the most popular. Then there is a deeper cavity on the left for the workhorse job of storing the bounty. I bought an additional shelf from the cabinet guys which has helped contain almost all of my spices. Still there is overflow above the hood. But with time I may balance out the spacing, say, be moving baking-type flavorings out of the cooking-type spice cabinet. Don't know; all's working great for now though. I'm constantly amazed at how functional and pretty (IMO) this is. Very exciting. Here's the view from the family room looking down the range-run: Here's a photo of the interior of the spice-part of the cabinet: