Thanks tj, hanzrobo, and roro! It was a gorgeous day to spend in San Diego. Wish you all were there to share it with but alas pictures will have to do this time. Hanz...one of these days we will get you to a show. I think you would have a blast AND be broke, yes. The Central Coast Show is coming up in San Luis Obispo. Perhpaps? Roro - Jordy did have some entries even though he helped judged. I think that he just excludes himself from those classes for the judging time. Kelly Griffin was the main judge for the show. It was fun listening to the thought process of the judges. They were carrying around a mic to talk to the crowd as they judged. Yes, the size of some of the specimens were astounding! Are these the ones you were thinking of? Yes... Echeveria 'Ebony'

I live in a similar San Diego climate and start my tomato seeds indoors in February. Too early and the plants just sit there until it warms up enough for them to thrive. I once had a tomato plant that survived through the winter. Some people start seeds now for a fall/winter crop but it has it be tomatoes that are early or can take the cold. I don't think the winter tomatoes taste as good as the same tomatoes picked in the summer.

Curious if anyone has seen a seedling this year in socal? I’m in Pomona and haven’t come across one yet. We really enjoyed the tomatoes we grew a couple of years ago and hope to find another plant

I live in the Texas Panhandle, and we've just now begun to get some "cool" weather. I've had a bumper crop of tomatoes, and a few "volunteers" that I've thrown into the compost heap. Some of the tomatoes have sprung some seedlings and they are in their two week stage with about 2 or 3 pairs of leaves. I could transfer them into some transplant cells and ship them to you, if you wish. I have some Beef Masters, Beef Steaks, Better Boys, and Big Boys. I don't know if any of them are hybrids, and I don't know what kind of results they will provide once they start bearing; but you're welcome to them... I have a couple hundred of them growing in my patch. When I first saw them last week, I thought they were just weeds coming back after I had tilled the ground. But upon closer examination, I noticed the leaves of tomato seedlings, so I let them grow. I've also some heirloom seeds for a cross that I developed between the Lemon Boy and Beef Master. It's a yellow Beef Master with the heft and size of the bigger tomatoe, but the yellow flesh of the Lemon Boy. It also has a lower acidity than the red tomato, with a delicious flavor. It was quite by accident that they cross pollinated. I set some Beef Masters next to my Lemon Boys and voila! Next year I will manually cross pollinate some Beef Masters and Beefsteaks with the Lemon Boys and see what I get. If you're interested in getting some of these seedlings mentioned above, and some of the crosses next year, just send me an email at sagebrushgardens at gmail.com and I'll make arrangements to get some of these seedlings to you. Regards, Ernest O'Dell Zone 6 Sundown, TX P.S. These seedlings are a mix of Beef Masters, Beef Steaks, Better Boys, and Big Boys. I didn't keep track of them when I tilled them into the compost. Sorry! :)