That's normal. Many, if not most passiflora blooms only last a day.

I say pot them up a size, and in regular potting soil, Bonnie. Bet itÂll give them a boost. And carefully remove the seed leaves and bury them all the way up to the first set of true leaves. And keep watering them with a dilute water soluble fertilizer. I also recommend putting them out all day any time itÂs up around or above 60, and even a little bit lower if the sunÂs out. The wind and sun will be good for them, and theyÂre gonna be out there on their own before too long anyway. You might keep them in or put them out in filtered sun or bright shade for a couple days right after you pot them up. Most of mine have or are just getting their second set of true leaves, so I really donÂt think youÂre that far behindÂif at all. And one other point! Last year I was looking for a couple more varieties than I had started, so I bought one in a gallon pot, and one in a small pot. Both of the store bought ones were bigger than the ones I started, and it almost looked like my tiny little plants werenÂt worth putting in the ground, but once they were planted, it wasnÂt long at all before they were ALL the same size, and without a scorecard, I really couldnÂt tell which had been which. In my experience, they love getting out into the ground and really take off once they do. And, Ian, all that for you too! I sowed my seed on March 31st, and I just potted them up from the 2' pots they were started in to 3½" pots. I mostly potted them up a size so I could bury them deeper to help establish a bigger root system before they go out into my clay! If you think yours look a little too pale, I recommend you start watering with a water soluble fertilizer too. I use 20/20/20Âfor EVERYTHING! For seedlings I usually use it half strength, and if they seem to like that, I make it a little bit stronger. IÂve never used Miracle Grow soilÂor Miracle Grow anything else, but if itÂs forming a crust on top when it drys, get something else. IÂve never used it either, but the Black Gold everybodyÂs talking about sounds good. I use Sunshine mix, since I can get it in bales, but itÂs available in smaller size bags too. ItÂs what everything was planted in at PaulinoÂs, and it always worked well. I use it for starting seeds, rooting cuttings, and everything else. But Digit and David both grow a LOT of stuff, and if they think Black Gold is good, thatÂs good enough for me. Ball mix is a good quality too, but I donÂt think you can usually find it in anything smaller than a bale. Just think, for a minute, about all those YUMMY home grown tomatoes! Skybird

Well, I am pretty new at this too Connie. Anything I know now I have learned from this forum. There are a couple of things I thought of that might help. One is, I put out very little seed in the summer because at this time there tend to be LOTS of bugs, flowers, and fruit for the birds. I put out only Nyjer seed in the upside-down goldfinch feeder. I put out LOTS of water (four birdbaths, all around our property) and keep it fresh, and the water more than anything else attracts birds here in the summer. You may be seeing fewer songbirds this summer because they are finding enough food elsewhere. The other birds you mentioned will eat any food that is put out and take advantage. Doves love whatever falls on the ground, and the other birds are pretty pushy. Also, there are feeders that are designed to keep the larger nuisance birds out and allow only the smaller songbirds in (caged feeders for example). You might want to consider taking down your feeder just to see if your "less welcome" visitors leave. They probably will. Then you could start over a little at a time. I'm sure there is a lot that others will add that will be very helpful. I hope you can have some of your songbird friends back soon - Donna

Just saw the thread for newbies so I guess my answer is that it is gone for now, but may reappear if someone can find it and tag it?