Yeah, I don't have Folklore ...yet. ;-) Let's get the top-level eliminations done first of all. Your photos and description show me your mystery-rose is definitely *not* Seashell Today Coral Sea Montezuma. Folklore's fragrance is rated as Intense ...and its leaves are rated as Glossy. I'm also leaning away from your orange mystery-rose being Arizona ...whose petals tend to quill noticeably more than yours appear to. But as we've all seen, Arizona blooms look so different in so many locations, I can't quite count it out entirely. Your photos and your description of the blooms' form and color, and the bush's growth-habit (very tall & "narrow"), immediately reminded me of a rose in my yard that I forgot to include on my "Long-Lasting Blooms" list. It is Sundowner - which is a grandiflora, thus matching your rose's bloom-habit. Take a look at the photos at HelpMeFind. Also "matching" is the fact that my two Sundowner bushes were purchased as bodybags at WalMart, like yours. But mine were correctly labeled ...I think. ;-) As I said, your desription of your rose's blooms and their "behavior" matches my Sundowner perfectly. But... mine has at least medium-strength fragrance. Also, its older leaves have leathery texture ...but not what I'd call "very" leathery. To my eyes, they are medium-green, and at least somewhat semi-glossy. You said your rose has "50+ petals." I've gotta ask, is that an estimation, or the result of doing an average-petals-per-bloom count with several blooms? Also, was that a Spring Flush count, or from a later flush? The reason I'm asking is, Sundowner is rated at only 35 petals. Note: I did a 3-bloom petal-count a few minutes ago. My most-mature Sundowner bush produces blooms which average about 40 petals. (Your rosebush appears to be *quite* mature, and thus might be producing higher petal-numbers.) When I was outside counting, I took a "sideview" photo of a just-opening bloom, to show the orange petals with yelow base ...and also made a "whole bush" shot. I'll post them for you over in the Rose Gallery ...or, email them to you. Whatever method you prefer. Sundowner might be incorrect. The fragrance-level and leaf-leatheriness factors don't seem to match. But Sundowner sure does match your grandiflora mystery-rose's described bloom-color, "ageing-appearance," and bloom-form. Regards, JohnReb

Thank you all, Donna, you can have some of our lesser goldfinches, we have plenty of them :) They are noisey little guys. Years ago my mother told me I didn't have to feed them in the winter as they 'went somewhere else'. Well, they do. If you don't feed them they go to the neighbor who does. We just love them. On the orange House Finch, DH was insistant that's what it was but he was calling it a 'faded' House Finch :) And a question on the warbler. A warbler is more 'flitty' and more apt to be on the ground etc not holding still, right? Plus this guy was on the suet cake, not on the thistle sock. So I'll label him as a Yellow-rumped Warbler. We did get alot of blurry pix of him, REALLY blurry, but one did appear to show him with a pointed beak, not a 'finch' beak. Just couldn't really be sure. I'll still try for a better pic. Thank you so much!

In your pic it looks Red, but if it's Orange then it's a House finch. The Purple Finch looks like it's been dipped in Rasbery juice.

I have had one to my feeders once in my life. It does throw you a bit when you first see it. Cool! :o)