Why do threads get removed?

bart1

16 years ago

There was a thread in here about a certain company and some customer service complaints. It no longer exists.

Who did it and why?

Nothing in the thread was disrespectful or dishonest.

Thanks,

Bart

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sunsi
16 years ago
It's a little known mystery of most forums that whole threads disappear when they are no longer productive or posters lose sight of the original intent of the thread. It's time to move on :)

P.S. I doubt you'll get many responses because that's just what people have done, moved on ^.~
carolyn137
16 years ago
There was a thread in here about a certain company and some customer service complaints. It no longer exists.
Who did it and why?

Nothing in the thread was disrespectful or dishonest.

*****

Every gardening message board that I know has what are called Moderators. It's their job to delete offensive posts and threads. They may also be responding to direct complaints that have made about a particular post or thread.

I disagree that nothing was disrespectful. Personal attacks were made and there was not a genteel discussion at several points, more of an attack.

I agree with the thread being removed, and no, I didn't request so.

The degree to which Moderators moderate posts and threads varies widely from site to site, some places being quite lenient, others being more strict. But when certain folks continually argue rather than discuss and attack rather than negotiate, they can and are banned from the site.

I don't know of a site where certain persons have not been banned for one reason or another.

Carolyn
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HoosierCheroKee
16 years ago
"I don't know of a site where certain persons have not been banned for one reason or another." [Carolyn]

Yes, there is even a garden forum board where folks are banned for something they said or did, or were perceived to have have said or done, at another site not associated with the site from which they are banned.
tomstrees
16 years ago
"Light and Breezey" should be the tone of any forum. So if/when that changes, threads get pulled.

Trust me B-Hoosiercherokee - the "tomato-vets" that have been banned ANY WHERE are seriously missed.

I feel sorry for the newbies ...
I mean, they really are missing out on a lot of great information/knowledge from a bunch of really great gardeners.

Hats off ...

~ Tom
elkwc
16 years ago
Bart I will say from the sites I visit that Garden Web is as fair and consistent as any. More so than most. I know several where it is ok to slander or black list someone for something not even said on that site if it is the view of the moderators and administrator. If not then the posts and threads are removed. I visit several for the information I can gather and so far have never had any trouble. I know if I want to visit those sites what I can't post or say even on other sites or I will be banned. Yes there is lots of information out there that is no longer available. What a shame. Great gardening to all. JMO Jay
bart1
Original Author
16 years ago
Thanks all.

I'm not sure what thread Carolyn was talking about, but I was talking about the one about the "postal rate increase" being charged 3 months after the original billing. I don't think there were any personal attacks in that thread. It was simply a discussion of the practices of a couple of tomato sellers.

It'd be a real shame if we can't discuss the good, bad and ugly of the various vendors out there, but I guess that's the case. Too bad for all of us.

Bart
Chemocurl zn5b/6a Indiana
16 years ago
Yes, there is even a garden forum board where folks are banned for something they said or did, or were perceived to have have said or done, at another site not associated with the site from which they are banned.

HC,
LOL...Merciful goodness! You lost me on that one...I'll have to ponder that a while.

Sue
sunsi
16 years ago
Tom Quote:
"I feel sorry for the newbies ...
I mean, they really are missing out on a lot of great information/knowledge from a bunch of really great gardeners."

Well that's sad, indeed :(
carolyn137
16 years ago
I'm not sure what thread Carolyn was talking about

****

I thought you were referring to the thread about Laurel's Heirlooms which was also deleted and that's why I made the comments I did.

I wasn't even thinking about the postal rate thread.

Carolyn
der_tomategartner
16 years ago
The truth is that on the 'net you are at the mercy of mods who often times have their own agenda and delete threads under the guise of "fairness" when the real reason is because of their own personal biases or disdain for an individual. I am not speaking of this forum or any gardening forum (I am a newbie here) but I am talking about any message board in general. I have seen this behavior on the net and BBS for 20 years. I suppose if one doesn't like it, one can always start one's own forum.

That said, I see no reason why a certain tomato vendor cannot be discussed openly. Perhaps there is not a way to censor individual posts within a thread? If there is indeed a way to do this, then I think it is silly that the entire thread was removed. It is almost like someone wants to protect a certain vendor. I have no knowledge of any vendor, and do not speak out of personal experience. It's just that I would like to see both positive and negative experiences on various vendors if I plan on buying from them in the future.

I suppose tomato vendors are just like any other business--you can ask 10 people about X company and they will say X company is the best they've ever dealt with, while 10 other people will say the company has terrible service, is disorganized, has crabby sales people, and does not stand behind its product. ;)
der_tomategartner
16 years ago
The truth is that on the 'net you are at the mercy of mods who often times have their own agenda and delete threads under the guise of "fairness" when the real reason is because of their own personal biases or disdain for an individual. I am not speaking of this forum or any gardening forum (I am a newbie here) but I am talking about any message board in general. I have seen this behavior on the net and BBS for 20 years. I suppose if one doesn't like it, one can always start one's own forum.

That said, I see no reason why a certain tomato vendor cannot be discussed openly. Perhaps there is not a way to censor individual posts within a thread? If there is indeed a way to do this, then I think it is silly that the entire thread was removed. It is almost like someone wants to protect a certain vendor. I have no knowledge of any vendor, and do not speak out of personal experience. It's just that I would like to see both positive and negative experiences with various vendors if I, as a newbie, plan on buying from them in the future.

I suppose tomato vendors are just like any other business; you can ask 10 people about X company and they will say X company is the best they've ever dealt with, while 10 other people will say the company has terrible service, is disorganized, has crabby sales people, and does not stand behind its product. ;)
jaliranchr
16 years ago
dt, they can delete just one or two posts w/in a thread, but the postal rates thread took a decidedly personal turn, not on the business, but the business owner. Then there was also some pitching another board which is a no-no around here. I imagine for expediency GW just deleted the whole thing to be done with it all. :)
bart1
Original Author
16 years ago
Carolyn -

I think I understand what happened..... I think my "postage" thread got caught up in the other thread about the shipment that someone got from Laurels. "Laurels" did get mentioned in the postage thread but it was only after someone bumped it back up front when the other issue came up. All of the nastyness when on in the other thread but since they were both about Laurels, I guess that's what killed them both. Guilt by association!!

Thanks all.
elkwc
16 years ago
DT I agree with you but that isn't the way most boards operate. I think it should be open to all views so a person can weigh the pros and cons of a subject. Yes I do think slander should be limited. But a moderators personal feelings shouldn't dictate what or who can be discussed on a board. JMO. Jay
carolyn137
16 years ago
But a moderators personal feelings shouldn't dictate what or who can be discussed on a board. JMO. Jay

*****

Jay, over the many years I've posted online I've been a Moderator at three different locations and at none of them did a single Moderator make a decision that was of a major type as to deleting threads or posts or banning individuals.

In all cases the situation was discussed by ALL of the moderators and there was always input from the owner of the site as well.

And sometimes the wishes of the site owner took precedence.

So my experience has been that no one Moderator made independent decisions that were of a major kind. Always there was a full and fair discussion. And heaven knows not all the Moderators at a given site always agreed on an issue.

But again, that's just my experience as a Moderator at three sites and may not be representative of other sites. And all of those sites were gardening related.

Carolyn
oregon_veg
16 years ago
I think we also must remember that garden web is about gardening. It would be dangerous to not have a moderator. Someone can say something about another person and then it hangs on the internet FOREVER. One little mistake can be too costly without anyone being able to redeem themselves.
One slight error in judgment and you're maimed for life.
The thread in question did start out fine, but then names were mentioned and it quickly went south.
That's the nature of threads. So, people can call on the powers that be (moderators) to clear their names
and try to reverse the damage of 1 or 2 people.
I think it's time to move on now and discuss gardening.
Tom
Ken_D_Il
16 years ago
after iguess you would say lurking for several years on this forum,the only thing i would like to say is ,without Dr.Carolyn Male There would not be a tomato growing forum.
thanks ken.
gflynn
16 years ago
Threads are removed to prevent absolute chaos. I used to haunt the newsgroups but it has become very difficult to find satifaction there because folks may attack you without any sort of guidelines. They may just like that sort of thing :-)

Greg
blanesgarden
16 years ago
Hopefully just like this thread.......Goodbye! ZZZZZZZZ

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