Thanks for the list of bullies to watch out for! I thought jasmine was on that list too, also passiflora, because of an old neighbor's vines that came over my garage roof. I like those vines too. I grew up in the northwest, where ivy and wisteria are total thugs- the wisteria can shift a house off its foundation and ivy kills entire forests! So even here they are thugs- good to know. How about clematis Montana? I have seen extreme examples here but can't tell if they are neglected and our of control, or simply uncontrollable. P.P.

JoanMary; Let's first see if you can find some locally. George Schenk in his book Moss Gardening talks of going to the park and looking on the paths where runners jog. He and other bonsai enthusiasts referred to it as joggers moss. I cruise old strip malls and look behind them near the power equipment. Old sidwalks have moss in the cracks and edges. Visit friends with shady yards. I spend my early Spring going through woodlands. I live in central Illinois and haev access to much private land. So I thought I had a pretty good collection of the local mosses. I went this past Sunday to my sister's house for Easter. She and her husband built this house a few years ago and I have never been out in the back yard. I immediately found three mosses that I thought were more interesting than anything I had found this Spring. The sidwalk mosses Bryum caespiticium and bryum argentium like concrete and are to be found all USDA zones. For pics go to USDA website. The trouble with pics is that moss have suh a fine texture that pics do not give true sense of the depth and feel. Just like fabric the fine mosses must be experienced to be really appreciated. Let me know what you find. If no luck we'll proceed. I'm pretty sure you in zone 10 have better selection. Look at the arboreteum to see what they have. Selaginella is native to zone 10. If I had it here I would have to take inside in winter. Look at pics on ebay and usda. Rick

If it is part shade, there are several varieties of clematis that you could try. I have 'Silver Moon' growing on the north side of a slatted fence, under a Heptacodium. It gets little direct sunlight, but still blooms well. This Spring it's had 20 blooms. 'Hagley Hybrid' & 'Nelly Moser' are also recommended for partly shaded conditions.

If you search for Trumpet Vine on these forums you'll find a LOT of reasons not to plant it. I planted some and after reading on the forums pulled it up and burned it! Apparently, it won't bloom unless it has full sun and is so invasive it'll take over your yard and eat anything in it's path. You could try honeysuckle, although it won't be evergreen. Virginia Creeper is nice, but doesn't flower. Ivy can be quite invasive too, but I hear the varigated ones are better than the standard English Ivy. Again, no blooms, but that one is at least evergreen. Dutchman's pipe? Not sure if it'll be perenial where you are.