Hey, cool.....that was alot of fun to read. Thanks for taking the time to put that together! Hmmmmm....you've given me some ideas for a new page on my butterfly website. ~ Judy

Wow, what a horrible prank! This looked like a real prank it didn't look to me like the sales guy was in on it. Which makes me want think the people behind this prank need to have their heads examined. I understand this was a closed road and the driver was clearly a good experienced driver so there was an element of safety BUT the sales guy had no idea, its a wonder he didn't have a heart attack he had to be terrified wondering if he was going to be killed, or may be in a car that kills someone else. During this ride he could have no idea how that drive was going to end. I know at the end when he was told who the driver really was he seemed ok with it all but that was still a horrible thing to put someone through. If it had been me in the passenger set I promise you I would not have forgiven. Why is it ok to terrify and make fools out and possibly hurt people when it just a "prank" for advertising, or a TV show? This driver may be famous and adored but neither he or the sponsor of this clip have the right to do this. just my opinion

First, let me say thank you for continuing to look at my layout. I am so sorry for the length of this response. Bmore, I am borrowing the second half of your name for a minute. I'll give it back, I promise. I had just told DH "I think I'm done" when I saw your post that said "won't work". If we kept this house forever (that's the plan), we could live with it. But when I told DH about your comment, he said "Let's pretend we're moving." We do want to make it as good as possible within budgetary and practical limits. I agree that the table is not ideal there. In resale, t might be one of those "What were they thinking?!?" flaws. However, it doesnt seem so "hallwayish" (to us) in that path of the LR, at least not now with doorways being where they are. ItÂs not there in the pictures, but we have always had the table in the original breakfast nook area, right in front of the french doors out to the deck. One of our regrettable addition designs (12 years ago) was turning a window into the doorway into the (current) laundry room rather than arranging things for better traffic. So weÂve always scooted past the table to get through two paths and putting the table where you see it on the drawing has felt like heaven. If you have suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Here are my solutions, in order of ideal world (maybe reverse order of reality?): 1. Turn back the clock 12 years and design our addition to connect the house and garage differently, with help from you all. 2. Tear off part the deck out the back door that we built in August and add an eating area. 3. Live with it. What you see on paper is infinitely better than what we have lived with for many years (again, I'd design the previous addition differently to take care of that). 4. Hope that if we ever have to sell, the potential buyers would be charmed by our 2 1/2 acres on a lake in the middle of town, close to everything, and ignore the design flaws (or not see or think about them until theyÂve lived with it for a while). 5. Hope that skinny lanky DD (almost 11) will forever be able to get into her chair (on the north end, of course) with only 18" clearance! 6. Shorten the island to ~6' and turn it 90 degrees, with the prep sink on the end toward the windows. Put the table on the other side of the island this way. To do this, we'd have to take out a portion of the wall along the hall (up to the air return) and probably add another column for support. (This is not out of the question.) 7. Decrease the depth of the island to 24" and move it back into the kitchen 6", giving the north end of the table another 12". Or turn it 45 degrees, as you suggest (we've had it that way in our tiny traffic-ridden space for a long time anyway). 8. Shorten the length of the island to 7Â (have it at 9Â now), keep it where it is, reduce the pantry, move the table to the left. 9. Plan to add a little more forward when we do our addition so the LR can be the DR. (see below) 10. Flip the whole design, putting the fridge where the pantry is, closing in the french doors and leaving the door where we have the range planned, making the other end the eating area. That area is 11.5Âx8.5Â but that includes the door and the path from the hall to the door. That would also put the kitchen into one thruway (to the laundry room -- granted, IÂm usually the only one who ventures back there) but another reason I like the current design is that it keeps everyone going around the kitchen. Also, the views are out to the left so I'd want to keep the windows I have planned. 11. ??????? Judydel, we are planning an addition after the kitchen is done, onto the front of the house. Originally, the LR was to be dining and we would add a great room in front of it. We did have two tables planned for that space, but one was to the left of the island (prepantry) and the other was in the LR. (Currently we do only have one table.) As we looked at it, we decided we needed to scale back and not have the addition be quite as big; it also didnÂt make sense to have two tables so close together in an open plan like we have. We could go back to having a little more space in the addition so the LR can double as DR/eating area. One reason I put it next to the island was for convenience across the counter; maybe it wouldnÂt be so inconvenient to have it a few more feet towards the front. Now, to buehl's thoughts: - I have managed to incorporate a Susan into the corner with a 12" door on each side of the angle. I have read that this is minimum; is it enough? - I have moved the range over but have kept it 30" from the corner. I can still go over 9" and do what I was hoping to do over the range. The electric panel won't let me go much further than that anyway. Also, I have had the range about 6" from the corner for 15 years and I'm ready to feel like I have a little more elbow room to my right. - I also moved the fridge to the right, not all the way down though. The air return duct comes 12" into the kitchen up almost to counter height. I found this site Mississippi State University Guidelines a while back and have been keeping those #s in the back of my head. It says 15" clearance for a fridge from the corner/wall and I didn't want to go past that, so I've left 24" there. I am pretty sure I won't use any counter space to the R of the fridge with all the other space I have elsewhere, so I have kept that 24" as tall cabinets. All the counter space we already have planned is much more efficient and astronomical compared to the useable space we have now, so it all feels luxurious when I look at it. (Doesn't mean I don't want to improve it where I can... that's why I asked!) OK, you can have your name back now, bmorepanic! I'm done... nothing is worth that much stomach lining and it will be OKÂ all of you will see to that! Thanks again!

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