Uhhh-ohhhh ...it seems another Oklahoma-or-Mirandy discussion is about to happen. ;-) As I and others have stated in previous discussions, Oklahoma and Mirandy blooms can be VERY difficult to tell apart. So, in this thread, I'll just mention differences between them rather than list all their similarities. I grow both of them ...and I planted them in the same row so I could compare them more easily. In my opinion, Mirandy's blooms age to several simultaneous shades of "grapejuice" red ...and Oklahoma's do not age to multihued grapejuice. Oklahoma's oldest (fully-mature) leaves are ARS-described as "matte" (non-glossy). Also, Mirandy's bloom-form is ARS-described as Globular ...and in my yard, it is somewhat "looser-petaled" when open than Oklahoma's (which tend to remain comparatively "well-ordered"). The "looser" form I'm speaking of refers mainly to the outer petals - but please also notice the mish-mash of petals at the center of Angelsmell's blooms. Mirandy is known for its tendency to produce thin-stemmed buds, which result in "nodding" when the bloom has become well-open. So, with consideration of the factors of bloom-color, bloom-form, and "nodding," AngelSmell's photos look to me more like Mirandy than Oklahoma. Angelsmell, please check your rose's blooms with those three factors in mind and let me know whether or not my description of Mirandy's blooms fits yours. Regarding my theory about petal ATTACHMENT-tip color (and size) for identifying red roses... it can't "identify" a red, it can only tell you what a red rose is NOT. For example, Mr. Lincoln's petal attachment-tips are "electric" deep-yellow, and that color is ona large area of the petal's base. So if a red mystery-rose's opening bloom's attachment-tip area color is white, it cannot be Mr. Lincoln. But please note: The petal base-tip color of many rose-varieties tends to lighten SIGNIFICANTLY as the bloom gets old. Therefore I recommend checking the tip-color while the bloom is still opening up. As of today, I've only got unopened buds and old blooms on my yard's (two) Oklahomas and (two) Mirandy bushes. As soon as the buds open I will check & compare their base-tip colors and get back to you. As always, I could be wrong. In this case I'm guessing based on what I can observe in the photos, without other desciptive info like bush-height & habit. Speaking of which... my yard's Mirandy(s) tend to produce significantly more buds per SPRAY (not per flush) than my Oklahoma(s). Regards, JohnReb

Sorry, I have no idea, but the round leaves should help in identifying it. I also would suggest posting this question on the general rose forum. It is a really drop-dead gorgeous rose.

Thank you, Paul! That makes a lot of sense, especially given how fragrant it is. I'll check back in a day or two to see if the colors have changed as the flower opens.

roserobin! thank you for those pictures of Laguna. Its such an impressive rose. I have two growing first year and I have to say I was taken aback when I saw the first bloom. I did not think I could handle it. What a intense and bold color. The hottest, darkest, most neon pink I have ever seen. But it fades a little in few days and I like the the faded color more. The petals just last and last and last. Unfortunately I could not detect much scent. Did yours take a little while to be fragrant? What are the two lighter colored roses on either side? I am trying to create the same effect on a long fence/trellis. How much width-space should I give Laguna?