How about a link Tobin? :) Jan

Sorry it took me so long to reply. The plant is indeed P. lutea as near as I can tell. There are apparently several plants growing in an area and they all come up with the silvery color at first, then as they get older all the new leaves they put out are more green. I still haven't seen any fruit set yet, though. Now a question...The owner of the property said I could take as many of them as I want to dig up. He occasionally goes through the area with a weed whacker and RoundUp, so I figure I might as well take them since they might get killed any day, and they're not exactly in a natural area or wildlife friendly area anyway. I've tried to move 6 of the approximately 30 small vines that I found coming up (there are also huge ones, but I haven't tried to move those since I figured they'd be a lot more difficult), but most of the small ones are proving to have very long, thin, and easily breakable runners with few roots just below the soil surface. I've tried to follow the runners as far as I can, but the soil is difficult to dig and most of the runners end up going under black cloth that's buried around the area or under huge, decades old camellia bushes (in other words, I can't follow the runners past those points). I did find a couple of seedlings, and I managed to successfully move one of those. It's in a pot and it's not happy, but it's alive. One of the pieces of runner that I dug up seems to be trying to send out a shoot and a few meager roots, too, but all the other pieces died, and so did the other seedling I moved. Does anybody have ideas about how I can improve my transplanting success with these vines? I'd like to get some more of them if I can figure out a way to get better transplanting success.

April...now that I've looked at various Agrimonia sp. I am seeing that they have smaller leaflets in between the larger leaflets. Also learned that they usually have no more than 7 leaflets per leaf and they are usually odifereous...the larger ones on my plant are no more than 2" long and have 11 to 13 leaflets with none growing in between. There are small white hairs on both upper and lower side. The wirey stems are red and also have hairs. The plant as a whole is only about 5" tall. I'm sure I'm not getting a discription of them all but so far that is pretty much the common description for the different ones so far. Thanks, Vera

There are several links if you google Hoya Red Buttons - this one has a good picture of the plant - not just the flower - it might be this. http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/hoya/hpgal0411112728251.html?7