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Too late to plant grean beans? Pea health?

backyardmomma
15 years ago

Ok question #1- I've been really sick lately ( fun pregnancy stuff) and haven't gotten around to planting my green beans (I was going to do both pole and bush). I live in the OKC area- is it too late to plant them or should I hold off and plant them for a fall crop?

Question #2- I grew snap/sugar peas this spring and they had a slow time germinating and finally gave me peas this month. I probably didn't keep them mulched as much as I should have but they did stay watered. This past week they have almost over night turned dry/crunchy leaves and yellow. It has been warm so I am wondering if this is just natural for peas to play out then dry out? I know they are a cool season plant but was just wondering if this is how they kick the bucket in Oklahoma. This is my first year growing them for spring so I was just checking and making sure. I did have a lot of aphids this year. Lots of Lady bugs but still lots of aphids. I grew the peas organic.

Thanks again everyone for your wealth of garden wisdom!

Comments (9)

  • Macmex
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Well, my guess is that your peas may have contracted something from the aphids. I planted my Sugaree Snap peas in January and they are only now, just beginning to bear, here in Tahlequah. But, if you've been picking peas for a couple of weeks and they dry down, and it's been hot there, then it's possible that they just petered out.

    Can't imagine that it'd be too late to plant beans, either bush or pole. Go for it!

    George

  • Okiedawn OK Zone 7
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I think the heat probably got your peas. When I grow them (and most years I don't), I always lose mine to the heat in May.

    Plant your beans. There's plenty of time to get a good crop. I succession plant beans all summer long. You may get fewer beans if it gets unbearably hot, but you'll still get beans. Some years I can't even tell that the heat slows down the beans at all. If you plant bush beans and pole beans this week, you should be harvesting bush beans in July and pole beans in August.

    If you have more aphids than the lady bugs can handle, your plants may be getting too much nitrogen. Plants that have excess nitrogen (whether via excess fertilization or just really rich soil) seem to have about 4 times as many aphids as plants that do not have excess nitrogen, at least in my garden. It helps to plant beans and peas in your poorest soil.....not much chance of getting excess nitrogen there! (I know it sounds crazy, but it is true.)

    I'm sorry to hear you've been ill, and hope all is going well with the pregnancy and that you are feeling better.

    Dawn

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    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Here near STilwell our first planting of Super Sugar Snap peas are just getting started bearing with lots of blooms and the second planting is just starting to bloom, so I think it unlikely that your peas died a natural death. More likely either disease or they weren't kept watered as well as they needed to be. Also the roots need to be kept cool so it is important to get a mulch on early. Sugar Snaps do best presprouted and planted no later than March 1 although last year the hard freeze in April took most of ours out and we started over. Better luck next year

  • backyardmomma
    Original Author
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hmm thanks for the Nitrogen tip sounds like I may need to get my soil tested just to check. I've never used commercial fertilizer, just manure (aged) and this year some partially composted leaf shreds from my mower. The place the peas are in have had a lot of tomatos in that spot for the last two years. I figured I was doing good by planting some beans and peas and letting the area rest from the crowded tomato crop. Thanks for the tip on sucession planting your beans- I will go ahead and plant this weekend. If you get a chance will you tell me how you sucession plant your beans in your biointensive garden? I am wondering what plant would have to be finishing up in order to provide you room? How many weeks do you space the planting? Thanks as always for all the advice everyone!

  • Okiedawn OK Zone 7
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

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    The second round of bush beans, which should go into the garden in about a week (I start the second round when the first round starts blooming.)will run right along the west garden fence line. This particular woven wire fencing has chicken wire attached to the bottom two feet to keep the rabbits from reaching through or crawling through. This double row of beans is on the edge of a bed of cantaloupe, but the cantaloupe (being planted today--late like everything else) are going to be planted inside tomatoe cages and growing vertically. By the time these beans are "done", the cantaloupe will have climbed up the cages, down again and will start spreading horizontally into the beans, which are going to be "done" by then, so it won't matter.

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    I try to time the planting/harvesting of the beans very carefully. Otherwise, they all mature at once and I don't do anything but pick and put up beans for days and days. : )

    Round one of the beans/onions is followed by fall tomatoes and round three of the beans in the same bed.

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  • backyardmomma
    Original Author
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks for the explanation- It helps a lot because I've been reading tons of books on succession planting but they are written by yanks or Californians who schedule peas to be planted mid-June! The Oklahoma version helped tremendously!

  • Okiedawn OK Zone 7
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    You're welcome.

    And, yes, it is hard to find veggie gardening data that relates to our climate. I've mostly figured it out through trial and error over the years but I feel like I am still learning.

    Succession planting would be harder for me if I planted more cool season crops, but I don't. Between the hungry deer and the way our weather here in southern OK goes from "too cold" to "too hot" in about 3 days, cool season crops are just too iffy here. Well, and if I did grow more cool season crops in late winter and spring, I'd need a larger garden so I could start warm season stuff while the cool season stuff was still producing.

  • sagenscotties
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hey BackyardMomma, glad to hear I'm not the only one pregnant & gardening...in this oklahoma heat! I'm wondering if anyone here innoculates their beans before planting? I know I should, but I never get around to it. My other problem with beans (well, bush beans and especially if you are growing soybeans) is that you have to plant A LOT of plants so that when you want to harvest some you have enough plants to make a big enough haul. Otherwise I end up with maybe 10 lovely, perfect beans one day and 8 more the next day, etc. Pole beans on the otherhand seem to be prolific and almost disease free. Also, kudos to me for finally unloading all of my turnips. Why-o-why do I grow turnips? I don't like them, and in a blink of an eye they are as big as a butternut squash.

  • Okiedawn OK Zone 7
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sometimes I innoculate and sometimes I don't. I am not sure it makes much of a difference either way. I always get good germination and more beans than we can eat, so I fill up the freezer, so innoculation doesn't seem to be as necessary as we think. I do think inoculation helps more if you are planting really really early though.

    And, yes, it takes a lot of bush beans to be able to consistently pick a good mess of beans. I plant tons and tons of beans in each planting. My theory is that you can never have too many beans because you can freeze or can the extras.

    Y'all be careful gardening pregnant in our summer heat. We don't want any dehydrated moms-to-be passing out in the garden!

    Dawn