Don, there is a GW tomato growing forum that discusses container grown tomatoes. One comment I see is that determinates are preferred for containers, and gardeners seem to have better results with 5 gallon sized or larger containers. Several years ago, first year with a new garden plot, I bought the McK brand seeds, for a patio cherry tomato. Description said sweet, bright RED cherry sized tomatoes,perfect for growing in containers on the patio (this is from memory, I don't have this seed packet any more). So I grew two to plant out in the garden, one the fruit was ORANGE, the other was YELLOW, and both were bland tasting, so the leftover seed was cursed at and thrown away. But poor flavour could have been from the plot being so new, probably with a low soil food web, so I probably shouldn't be blaming the seed packet so strongly. I think it is easy for the seed names/bins to get mixed up, or maybe the ones you'd planted had somehow gotten mixed with another variety. As for the comment on rubbing out the suckers on indeterminates because they won't produce fruit, it is my understanding that those suckers are a complete new tomato plant, and they will produce fruit. I believe this because this past winter I kept 2 cuttings of a tomato plant variety that I knew to be a hybrid (so no saving seed and being guaranteed I will have the same thing), and felt like trying to overwinter it. The poor thing looked so pathetic all winter, but come February I could see it had perked up and had started to grow a new leaf at the top. Mid February I pinched off the top to force the dormant suckers below to grow. When the suckers were long enough I took them off, set in water for a day to make sure they were hydrated, then stuck in soil. Placed in a bright spot that rec'd no sunshine. They rooted! They grew! They produced blossoms on trusses, which I pinched off so the plant could grow stronger. Had one of the cherry tomatoes two weeks ago from a plant 18" in ht and growing in a yogurt cup on my front step that only receives morning sun, and it tasted as good as the original mother plant had produced last summer. I'm growing 2 in the garden right now, and both have fruit trusses, one with fruit. Now it's the wait for them to ripen so I'll have something to snack on when I'm out there! I think it's encouraged to rub out some/most/all the suckers to provide better air flow (disease prevention) to the mother plant, and if the suckers are allowed to grow, the tomato plant becomes a monster in the garden! I'll should make mention: that is not my giraffe in the attached photo. I've copied that from a thread in the Garden Experiments forum on GardenWeb. Here is a link that might be useful:

Here's a tip for you, Ken... Shave your legs and chest. Get some silk underwear. Pop some estrogen. Watch one full week of THE VIEW. Get in touch with your feminine side and then view the pics again... it will be a night-and-day experience.

interesting you would say that... yesterday my DW and I single-handedly moved an 1100 pound boulder from the driveway where it was delivered around back onto our deck onto a 24" high platform where it will become an focal point in our "Zen Room" outdoor area. (It will be quite different from the outdoor room pictured... not sure if I think their room is really really cool, or ???) After worrying about it for over a month, the actual process of moving that sucker was much easier than we expected... pictures will follow, but I want to get more done on the project first...

I have an open plan, U-shape kitchen. The refrig is on one of the legs. The general rule is to have it open towards the work triangle. Instead, mine opens to the exterior of the U where you're walking in, not the interior - see my very simplified drawing (which is so very not to scale, LOL). A contractor thought I was crazy. But the legs of the U are very short. I wanted the frig to open in the direction where I'm putting groceries away - or conversely, pulling prepared food/condiments out to take over to the DR opposite. This way, when DH opens the frig and snitches a cheese stick and salame, he is standing at the OUTSIDE of my work triangle, rather than coming inside it! The aisle running from the LR, past the pantry and to the stairway, is a full 4' wide for easy access from the front to the back of the house. I have a movable cart in the middle of the kitchen which is expandable to 5' wide. Also, the corners of my "U" layout are actually Lazy Susan cabs with hinged double doors. The double pantry unit is my "funny story". I have a lot of cookware, flatware, tableware, and variety of serving dishes. I sooooo carefully planned out the kitchen storage to make sure I had a place for everything! I was proud of myself for about a week when I suddenly realized I had COMPLETELY forgotten about someplace to store....FOOD! Fortunately we had not placed the cabinet order yet, so a hasty addition of two 18" wide x 8' tall twin pantries with roll-out shelves was put on the list.