Amsonia is a possibility. I did wintersow that last year. I don't think I planted either coreopsis tripteris or palmata intentionally, but with seed trades, who knows. I guess I will wait for it to bloom. Does amsonia have a shallow root system? This definitely does not have thick roots or a taproot. Becky

Hi bcgift, I have sneezeweed seeds.different colors, I also have lots of seeds but haven't posted them yet. Rose

No luck yet, Steve, but I have four "batches" in the ovenso to speak! I definitely havent given up on the winter sown ones yetI had some candylily seeds finally germinate a couple weeks ago that apparently had just been waiting to warm up a little! And I have another batch in a baggie that I soaked for a couple days first. And I have another batch just in a baggie that werent soaked first. Both of those are with the few things I still have on the heating pad to keep them nice and toasty. And then I have another batch in the fridge that Im stratifying to try it that way. Ill probably leave them in there for a couple more weeks before I bring them out to warm them up. Lets see! Did I say before that I REALLY want some of these things!!! If all else failshow far are you from the SLC airport! If I ever get back to work, Ill wind up with a layover there sooner or later! In the meantime, Im gonna just keep trying with the seed you sent! Interestingly, when you mentioned the T & M germination database, I looked them up on the Tom Clothier one, and this is what his says: Lavatera cachemiriana, and thuringiaca , Sow at Max. 5ºC (41ºF), germination irregular, often several months . Since L. tauricensis isnt listed, I used the thuringiaca, assuming its the closest thing. Interesting how much difference there is in the recommendations! Based on my experience so far, Im inclined to think the "germination irregular" might be the most accuratewhich definitely means I wont give up on the winter sown ones! And, remember, same thing for the Callirhoe! At Paulinos it wasnt at all unusual to have seedlings coming up around the one planted in the display garden (the same as you have seedlings coming up around your Lavatera), but when one of the growers tried to grow them from seed we collected, the germination was VERY poor, and VERY irregular. Dont give up on that one for sure! I dont have any of the blue-eyed grass seed, but I did have some old yellow-eyed grass seed, Sisyrinchium californicum (I think) that I collected several years back that finally germinated a couple weeks ago. So dont give up the ship yet on your Sisyrinchium either. I have to have some of the Lavatera germinate sometime, cause I gave away the big white hydrangea in my front yard that I posted pictures of last year, and thats where Im planning to plant iteventually! Itll happen! Skybird

NHBabs, I've made a note to post back when the DNA test results come in. Peren, not sure of that yet, but they do have good DNA markers for the known Helenium species in the US, so the results should be informative.