You can also check @ Garden Shop of Homewood. She had a wide variety of shrubs, bushes, all kinds of stuff last time i went up there. I actually got some GREAT deals - 50% off, at the end of the season You can also always call the different nurseries and ask if they carry them. Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Shop of Homewood

Thanks for the tip--I've already checked them out. It seems like that will be my best bet. I've also joined the ASA. They have an annual seed/swap sale that may be a resource for me as well. Bruce

Solidago caesia is called bluestem or wreath goldenrod. Zigzag goldenrod is S. flexicaulis. I grow them both and neither is invasive for me. Both are fine garden plants for shade, along with S. erecta, wand goldenrod. All three offer different form and leaf color as well as flower presentation. Here in middle TN they bloom in August and September, which isn't that late in this climate, anyway. Soeur

Penny, I used to live in WNY. Gotta say, I do NOT miss the winters. Or those summers where it rains every weekend for, like, 10 weeks in a row and then it's autumn. But I had some good times and met some great people there. Wonderful area if you're a birder, which I am. Azalea seed is fairly fine, but it's not as tiny as dust, or, say, begonia seed. It usually resembles little oblong flattened wafers that are maybe 1/20 inch long or so (a guess -- I'm not anal enough to try to measure the things). The woody pods typically are comprised of four longitudinal chambers arranged around a sort of corky central pith. The best way to get the seed out is spelled out in my first post. It's tedious but effective. You may find no seed in some chambers, as there are little weevils that bore into the pods and eat the seed as it ripens. They do leave behind a very fine dust. April, are you out there? It's primetime for gettin' that Scott's Gulf seed.... Marty