Whitman Farms - right there in OR - is probably THE best source for gooseberries in the USA, and Lucille Whitman and her crew can probably give you the low-down on any question you might have - but your questions might be answered on the website, linked below. Here is a link that might be useful: Whitman Farms

DOWN?, well, no. Okay, I have seen Blumenschmidt & Enchantress pretty available--even at relatively small local nurseries. Sorry to read the middlin' opinions re. Blumenschmidt--just picked one up. I've been doing as Kim & Jeri & others recommend--draw up a wish list, check HelpMeFind's "plant search/look-up" & see what's available elsewhere, like from Rouge Valley (LOTS), Burling, etc. Then start the order with plants that are EXCLUSIVE to Vintage & use other available plants to round it off as needed. The tragedy is that Vintage is the sole commercial source for so many. I just added the HT Olympiad (1931) last night. Another beauty thought to be extinct. FWIW, my last-chance Vintage orders have been pretty heavy on the old & classic HTs & floribundas. The OGRs are much more available now, even available from in-state vendors like Chablees & ARE. If I had the $ I'd order every rose Vintage has exclusively preserved.

To the OP if you're still reading - I would pay attention to Mad Gallica. NYS it hilly and once you leave NYC, the altitude and temps are not always rose-friendly. Down in NYC, most of those roses aren't going to be no-spray. I can grow teas and I'm about a mile from the Brooklyn Botanical Garden and they can't,. We're on the perimeter of the zone for those and I happen to have a protected area, whereas in the BBG, they don't, so the winters are much harsher for them. I'd say forget teas altogether. I pull out anything I have to spray - I'm not going to spend weekends suiting up and spraying toxins just so I can look at some roses. What grows no-spray for me is La Marne, a great polyantha that should do well for you too because it blooms into December, Knockout, Prairie Sunrise and Serendipity by Buck, Isabella Sprunt which will die in your region, Climbing James Galway - which gets HUGE, Lyda Rose, Darwin's Enigma, Pink Above All, and maybe Pearle d'Or, which might survive in your area. Some of them actually do get some blackspot, but they don't defoliate. Most of the other roses I grow are going to die in your climate. In Michigan I also grew Prairie Harvest, Belinda's Dream, William Baffin, and Rose de Rescht and those seemed to do OK except that the first 2 would die down to the ground every year. They did again but I was out there last week and they've sprung right back up. I prune them down anyhow, so the fact that they get significant dieback isn't an issue. All of the roses are own-root though, so I don't know about grafts as I've only grown 2 roses in my life that were grafted. Good luck. Just remember, there are thousands of roses and one way to cut down on your choices is to limit yourself to roses that will thrive in your area.

Thanks so much for your warm welcoming attitude, Pitt. I just didn't want to post too much. I have a tendency to want to grow EVERYTHING that is gorgeous and interesting to ME, and very often customers want to know what "this" flower is and "that" flower is, never knowing it existed! There are some here that are OBVIOUSLY not suitable for cutting (stem length-alyssum/hollyhock/morning glory, too "wild & rangy"-like ratibida, not long enough lasting-papaver?, or just not worth it in a zone with a short growing season like mine) but if something here "seems" unable to be cut, but YOU KNOW CAN be cut for SHORT bouquets, please inform me! I don't have that much more room in my yard, so I really need to pare this list down! Also, if any of these are much better GROWING FROM AN ESTABLISHED PLANT, instead of by my starting from seed, would you mind letting me know? PS-I don't have any phlox yet! :0) Agastache foeniculum Lavender Hyssop Agastache Tutti frutti Agastache rupestris Alcea Dwarf Hollyhock Majorette Mix Alcea Hollyhock Old Farmyard Mix Alcea rosea Nigra-singles Alcea rosea (hot pink hollyhock) Alcea rosea (single pink,dk.pk.throat) Alyssum Royal Carpet Amaranthus Intense Purple-tall Ammi majus Antirrhinum Gumdrop Mix Antirrhinum Large snap mix Antirrhinum Tetra Mix Aquilegia (pink) Aquilegia (yellow) Aquilegia Bonnets (pinks) Aquilegia Mrs. Scott Ellis Aquilegia Ruby Port Aquilegia Wm. Guinness Asclepias incarnata Balsam Double Camellia Mix Basilicum (Cinnamon/Mexican Basil Mix) Bellis perennis (English daisy-pink) Berkheya purpurea Zulu Warrior Buddleia Honeycomb Calendula Citrus Cocktail Calendula Fancy Mix Calendula Kablouna Dore Calendula Kablouna Gold Calendula Pacific Beauty Calendula Porcupine Calendula Radio Calendula Sunny Girl Double Calendula Touch of Red Callistephus chinensis (Aster Crego mix) Callistephus chinensis Orange Sherbet Callistephus chinensis Powderpuff Mix Callistephus chinensis Seastar Mix Campanula persicifolia (Peachleaf Bellflower/blue) Campsis radicans (yellow/apr.trumpet vines) Canterbury Bells mix Cardinal Vine Celosia Burgundy Supercrest Celosia spicata Centaurea cyanus Mix (Bachelor's Buttons) Centaurea cyanus Blue Boy Centaurea cyanus Persian cornflower (pink) Centaurea Cornflower "Black Ball" Centaurea Double Mixed batchelor buttons Centaurea imperialis Sweet Sultan Centaurea Montana/mountain bluet Chives (Herb) Chrysanthemum carinatum (Love, but JBs devour these!) Chrysanthemum coccineum/Perennial Painted Daisy Chrysanthemum Coconut Ice Cleome Four Queens Mix Cleome Rose Queen Coleus Rainbow Mix Collinsia heterophylla (Chinese Houses) Consolida Giant Imperial Mix Larkspur Consolida Shades of Blue Consolida Larkspur Kaleidoscope Mix Consolida Larkspur Sublime Bicolor Convolvulus(Bush-type morning glory) Blue Enchantment Cosmos Double Click Cosmos Seashells Mix Cosmos Single Sensation Mixed Colors Cosmos sulphureus Orange Cosmos Sunset (orange/red) Crocosmia/montbretia Cynoglossum Mystery Rose Dahlia Rainbow Mix Dahlia Unwins Mix Datura (large, white) Delphinium Astolat Delphinium Blue Mirror Delphinium King Arthur Delphinium Magic Fountains Mixed Colors (Dwarf) Dianthus barbatus (Sweet William single mix) Dianthus Chabaud Great Carnation Mix **POSSIBLY Dianthus AMAZON purple coming (from a trade!!)** Dicentra eximia (Fernleaf bleeding heart) Dierama (Angel's Fishing Rod) Digitalis alba Digitalis Camelot lavender Digitalis Candy Mountain Digitalis Excelsior Hybrids mixed colors Digitalis purpurea Foxy mix Dill (Organic), Bouquet Echinacea pallida Echinacea paradoxa Echinacea tennesseensis Echinacea White Swan Echinops ritro Erygium (blue) Erysimum allionii (Wallflower-yellow/orange) Eucalyptus Mix Eupatorium (Joe Pye Weed) French honeysuckle/scarlet (climber/scrambler) Fritillaria langeolata Fritillaria meleagris (Snakeshead/Checkered fritillary) Gaillardia Aristata (Blanketflower) Gaillardia Burgundy Gaillardia Fanfare P *may not come true Gaillardia Summer's Kiss Gaillardia Sundance Bicolor Gaillardia Yellow Sun Gaura Siskiyou Pink Gazania Sunset Colors Gazania (white) Gazania (white/purple stripe) Geranium (Frost-Hardy mix) Geranium pratense Splish Splash cranesbill Gomphrena QIS mix Gypsophilia elegans (pink) Gypsophilia paniculata Early Snowball (white dbl.) Gypsophilia (white baby's breath) Helenium (red, I believe) Helenium Bright Buttons Helenium Mardigras Helenium Moerheim Beauty Helenium Red Army Helianthus Double Quick Orange Helianthus Honey Bear Helianthus Infrared Helianthus Lemon Aura Helianthus Lemon Queen Helianthus Mammoth Russian Helianthus Monet's Palette Helianthus Moulin Rouge Helianthus Parasol Mix Helianthus Pro Cut Lemon Helianthus Pro Cut Orange Helianthus Ring of Fire Helianthus Sole Doro Helianthus Sundance Kid Helianthus Teddy Bear Helichrysum Strawflower Dwarf Mix Helichrysum Tall Double Mix Heliopsis scabra Summer Sun Hemerocallus "Pink" Hemerocallus/various crosses Hesperis matronalis (Dame's Rocket) Hibiscus mosch.:Disco Belle/S.Belle mix Iberis Dwarf Fairy (Candytuft) Ipomea Heavenly Blue Morning Glory Ipomea Choice Mixed Colors Morning Glory Ipomea Crimson Rambler Morning Glory Ipomea Sunrise Serenade Morning Glory Iris (Spuria) Lagurus ovatus (Bunny Tail Grass) Lathyrus Bijou Mix Lathyrus odoratus Spencer Mix Lathyrus odoratus Old Spice Mix Lathyrus Sweet Pea Burpee Patio Mix (bush type) Leonotus leonurus Leucanthemum Aglaia Shasta Daisy Leucanthemum Alaska Shasta Daisy Leucanthemum Crazy Daisy (*already have this growing) Leucanthemum Silver Princess Daisy (same as above) Leucanthemum Snow Lady Daisy Leucanthemum Wirral Pride Lilium Orienpet Mix Lilium philippenense (white) Linum rubrum (Scarlet Flax) Lobelia cardinalis Lupinus Russell's Hybrid Mix Lychnis chalcedonica (Maltese Cross) Lychnis coronaria (Rose Campion) Malope trifida (Mallow Vulcan) Malva sylvestrus Zebrina Melissa officinalis (Lemon Balm) Mina Lobata - Spanish Flag Moluccella Laevis (Bells of Ireland) Monarda citriodora Monarda lambada Monarda Panorama Mix Myosotis sylvatica Firmament Forget-Me-Nots Narcissi (no description) Nasturtium Scarlet Gleam Improved Nigella hispanica Exotica (Love-in-a-Mist) Nigella "Jewels" (Love-in-a-Mist) Orlaya grandiflora Papaver coral w/purple center Papaver Danish Flag Papaver Drama Queen Papaver orientale mix (white, salmon, reds) Papaver rhoeas Papaver Shirley Mix (Double) Papaver somniferum Black Peony Poppy Papaver somniferum/Hot pink w/dk. ctr,fringed Pardancanda norrissi-purples(have a y/o one growing already) Passiflora Maypop Penstemon Red Rocks Polygonum orientalis(Kiss Me Over The Garden Gate) Platycodon Balloon Flower Platycodon Fuji Blue Platycodon Axminster Streaked Ratibida columnifera (Mexican Hat) Rose Campion Rudbeckia hirta Cherokee Sunset Rudbeckia hirta Gloriosa Daisy Mix Rudbeckia hirta Double Gold Rudbeckia Green Wizard Rudbeckia hirta Irish Eyes Rudbeckia hirta Prairie Sun Rudbeckia Sonora (*possibly-not sure) Rudbeckia Toto Salvia Bonfire Scabiosa atropurpurea (deep red, frosted white) Scabiosa Mix Scabiosa (yellow) Statice Mixed Tabebuia (yellow) Tagetes (Marigold) Crackerjack Mixed Tagetes (Marigold) Harlequin Tagetes (Marigold) Petite Yellow Tagetes (Marigold) Simba Tagetes (Marigold) Snowdrift Tagetes (Marigold) Sweet Cream Tagetes (Marigold) Tiger Eyes Talinum paniculata (Jewels of Opar) Tanacetum coccineum/Painted Daisies (pk/red) Tecoma San Alata (orange honeysuckle) Verbena bonariensis (Purpletop verbena) Viola Tricolor "Miss Helen Mount"/Johnny Jump-Up Zinnia Candy Cane Mix Zinnia Elegans California Giant Zinnia Giant Cactus Mix Zinnia Giant Enchantress Zinnia Giant Violet Queen Zinnia Old Mexico Zinnia Paintbrush Mixed Colors Zinnia Persian Carpet Zinnia Red Spider Zinnia Royal Purple Zinnia Scabiosa Pastel Mix Zinnia Scarlet King Zinnia State Fair Mix Zinnia Whirligig Zinnia Zowie! Flame Perennial Wildflower Mix Daisy Garden Wildflower Mix After all of this, I hope that you are still my "friends" (wink). :0) Phyl