Hi Patty, Thanks again for all your usefull info. You mention the fact that 'Kishu' is a smaller fruit, so small that it prevents it from being a grocery store citrus. This fact is one of the #1 reasons why I chose to buy it. Small fruits mature and ripen much faster. From what you told me before, it sounds like 'Page' will be the same way. I have had my 'ORo Blanco' now for 1 full year now. Over the past winter(I would say up to December), it had 4 nice sized fruits. They continued to grow and mature but sadly they all dropped, and I would say that they only maybe had another month or 2 to go before being fully mature and ripe. I know my problem was that I didn't have enough space for all my tropicals and tropical fruit trees. I alson new that they needed more light but I figure the tree was still too small and now it can concentrate on growing larger and taller. I still will be hoping to get my hands on the Minneola and hopefully if I make it to FL this summer, I can pick one up and ship it back home to me. If I cannot wait that long to get it(when I really want something like that, I tend to get impatient..LMAO!!) I will either order it from Four Winds or try to order it from my local nursery. Hi Mike, I am all ready growing my tropicals in my 2 bedrooms! One I use for figs, plumerias, and a few of my tropicals such as my passionfruit vine and my keylime. I also have Laura'a agave in there. The other I Have my HPS light in and that's where the rest are except for my 'Star Ruby' which is in my living room right now. When I went to Potratz, they had HPS or Hallide lights for sale along with T5's. I was really happy to see this! I plan on buying a new light set up here and there this summer. That way by the time winter roles around again, I will be all prepared and my newly growing citrus collection will have all the light they need...along with the mango and other tropical fruit collections! I really am going to have to stop otherwise I will not have anymore room in this apartment! Were going to have to make a decision on if were going to live in NY or if were going to move FLorida. You know I would much rather live in FL! Mike, I forgot to ask you....if you plan on another trip to Logees, PLEASE let me know!! I have a few things I would like to get there. Another 'Day' avocado, the yellow gardenia, and if they have a decent sized HEALTHY Minneola, I would like that too!! It really does make a BIG diffrence to have a trusted friend(not only a good friend like you but someone who also loves there plants!) to hand pick the plants. Hi Laura, WOW sounds like the PHL flower show was a success! Between you and I, I hate the noids! You don't know what you really have and then if you go and buy something else that's similar or not blooming, you run the risk of getting another noid! I did lose around 7 or 8 plumerias this winter but only a couple were really special. One of them was 'JJ Jenny' but Sonia is looking for another one for me as we speak. Thank god for people like you, Sonia, and Mike, and all the others that I haven't mentioned. You all have made it much eaier for me to get some of these harder to find plants/tropicals. If you stumble across a nice sized Minneola or Washington Navel, PLEASE grab it for me and I will reimburse you. I just don't want to spend another arm and a leg having to order them. Ooh, and yes Laura, I am trying to persuade you to become a co citrus horder with me! What you will find cool about this hobby is that citrus can be easily propogated from cuttings! Mike is doing this all ready, and I will be asking him for some tips so I can get growing my very own cuttings. I did it years ago with Ponderosa lemon. I didn't have any trouble with rooting it but all my recent attemps at rooting have not been productive. Well take care everyone! I did check my delivery status for my Four Winds order. Right now it's in New Jersey so it should be here by tomorrow. Laura, I will be hiding the new arrivals for a while..LOL! I laughed my butt off when you mentioned how during the winter, the rooms are getting greener and greener, and fuller and fuller! Andrew

Pat, I will have my sister call Gayle on Monday. Right now I am putting together a list for her and some substitutes. I have been spending a lot of time on Tinkers looking up the names on their list. It is hard without photos. I keep thinking I will miss a great DL just because I am so new to them. If they don't have a web site and are not open to the public, who are their main customers? Did she talk to you at all about the clearing of their stock to make room for a new breeding program? I'll try and let you know how we make out.Thanks again, Elizabeth

I have just received my order from South Wind. The 50% sale is just great! I ordered: Spiny Sea Urchin Michael Miller Larry Grace Malaysian Monarch Wild Horses There are at least three fans for the double fan order, except Wild Horses, where I got 7 fans! I even received a bonus daylily! Thank you Ladypat for posting about them.

some how you live in an area of zone five that has wind that where I grew up in zone 3 and wind coming off the north Dakota prairie, we still could grow things you can't. I know the above sentence is nonsensical, but good grief girl...you are trying to reinvent the wheel with every thing you do, and nothing can possibly grow where you are because you have conditions no one else on the planet has. I've seen it, done it, trumped it...unless you are in a desert, which east of the Mississippi, unlikely. here's one for you...I have references that cite Saybrook Gold Juniper as prone to winter burn. From eastern north Dakota, u of mn, and multiple landscape sources of impeccable repute from the five state area of the upper Midwest (ND, SD, MN, WI, IA), it's perfectly hardy and shows superior resistance to winterburn. So for every source you can show me, I can show you another citing the exact opposite. That's how horticulture is...it's not always as nice and neat as people like to believe. I know people on the North Dakota prairie that don't have the problems you have. You know, that place where two story buildings are built for windloads of 170 mph straightline? Where the governor has a standing order for cancelling school when the temp is colder than -55 degrees. I'll let you ask if it's F or C...that's just cold any way you cut it. What I know about J. chinensis is that wind tolerance is kinda variable and will most likely be hard to discern apart from winterburn. Some cultivars will have winter tolerance to wind and sun in spades, some under certain conditions, some not so much. If you want to know which, you gotta go local. there has to be some local place that's been around forever...even in ottertail county, mn, there's a nursery that's been in operation for over 100 years...there's always a place like that, been around forever, if they don't carry it, or know of it, don't bother. J. virginiana is plenty hardy, all cultivars. IN ZONE FRIGGIN 3. WITH NORTH DAKOTA WIND. prone to turning purple in winter. J. scopulorum is plenty hardy, some variation among cultivars, but don't discolor the way that J. virginiana cultivars can. NOTE: Medora juniper, from the town of Medora, on the north Dakota prairie. Yes, I know I cite ND a lot, but if you have problems with wind and cold and want hardiness above all else, look to what does well under conditions that make any part of western NY look like a walk in a balmy spring breeze. J. scopulorum 'Medora'.